Guys, I really do have a sense of humor.
I'll quote a few recent posts from another thread that really keep coming to mind.
If you can't keep them all on paper you'll just have to try harder next match. What next? would you like to get a trophy for just competing.
I have a Grandson who plays soccer in CA. Now remember I said Ca !!!! Whenever a goal is scored, the team that scores a goal gathers around the goalie and gives him a cheer and then the opposing team is allowed to score a goal so NOONE feels bad. All games end in a tie.
That's what I think every time I see these posts from people who ask xyz, then, someone has not given them printed instructions on how to do the best things possible, so they complain that "all these shooters are the same, they won't tell you anything".
If this were Nascar, do you think you could come up from the ARCA series, go to the team leading the points in the Cup series, and say, "Hey, would you mind telling me all the things you do to make that car go faster. I have the same engine block, tires, wheels, steering wheel and window net, but, mine isn't as fast as yours and it just takes too much of my time to go figure that stuff out".
What do you think they would say? Hmmm?
Let's say they're really really nice guys. They might look at the heads from your engine and say, "well, see this here, we don't do that". Now, that might have been a $100,000 statement, but you're not happy. You'd expect them to go take you to the flow bench and demonstrate this, oh, and by the way, use THEIR flow bench cause you can't afford that yet and damn, they're expensive. Etc, etc. Or, I don't have the stuff to build a flow bench so I expect you to offer yours any time I want it.
Are we on the same page yet? Starting to sound like soccer above? You don't see me complaining that people will not give away all their wind reading secrets do ya?
I already told you I do not use bearing surface, but that's not enough for you. You never bothered to read what I said or you'd have answered your own questions. I do not think I have the definitive answer, because I know for a fact there are shooters that shoot very small groups and do not do any of the things I do. They do something different. What? I do not know exactly, and I'm not about to ask em. I trust what they say, they have never given me reason not to. If the same statements came from someone I know to tell fish stories, I'd ignore them completely and assume it to be a lie until proven otherwise.
There are books out there telling you everything on a bullet that matters. The info pollutes this forum like the garbage in the Chesapeake Bay. If you believe what someone says has merit, or COULD have merit, then get off you duff and go find out for yourself. NOW, you have an answer that matters cause it's irrefuteable to you. You've PROVEN it to be true or false. Either way, you learned something. As your gun shoots better, the answers become easier to find and then you go back and RE-Do the tests, to see how it works in a better shooting system.
Here's how Harold Vaughn would do it.
Hmm, I have a tough problem and can't quantify it.
My variations are from 1-10, and I need to know what that does on the target.
Ok, make the variations 1-100
Ah, now I have 5" on the target at 100 yards.
I conclude that there's .5" of variation in the 1-10's. If I want to shoot groups of .1", I need there to be not much more error than 1-2. A bit oversimplified, but there you go.
Move on to the next problem.
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As I read this thread, I see about 6 months worth of testing to verify what has been given away to anyone who actually read what was said.
I would personally never sort to any group larger than .001, and usually I sort as close as my measuring equipment allows, which is usually closer than every .001. I never sort 1000 bullets cause I don't feel it's worth it till you get to about 2500. But, 1000 is a great place to start.
