Lynn, I know what a switch is. What I do not see is what a switch over a 12 hour period has to do with a 10 Minute relay. I also do not see what it would do to a target when the range is as flat as a pancake.
4Mesh
The switches happen very very often.A switch is a sudden change in the winds direction.Sudden means shorter than 12 hours.The 12 hour modeling was brought up to show you we don't have a predominant wind direction 24 hours a day 365 days a year like you are used to.If you had read the posts by Matt you would see that we shoot in the Ione triangle and not Sacramento.I drop these little clues in the hopes people will look up what they mean.Remember your post about letting them learn on there own? As that has not worked at all I will gve you more clues.
Sacramento at sea level is in an area known as the Sacramento Valley.This valley runs north and south.The pacific ocean a big body of water and the reason Sacramento is a port is on our left as we face due north when firing.As you already know the story about The Donner Party they all died and turned into cannibals in the 14,000 foot tall Sierra mountain range on our left.So far we have a north south valley and a west east thermal up the highest mountain peak in the continental United States. Next we add in the san Joaquin valley at an angle and were all three come together you put a 1,000 yard range and call it the Ione triangle.
I only posted the winds at Sacramento airport because I don't have access to a computer at home were I can post wind vectors multiple directions.
You say the place is so much tougher than we have here, but it can be read.
It can be read only by ther guy you called a BS'er and now I don'y know how he does it.
Then you say guys from CO come to your range to shoot small groups.
When did I say that?
Then you say our range that sits on top of mountains has mountains blocking the wind and so it is easy.
When dd I say that?
Then you say the range where these guys come from that has mountains 7 times as high as the ones here, and somehow that makes it tougher.
4Mesh you need to do a web search on the term thermal updrafts.
Now either they block the wind, or they don't.
4Mesh mountains create thermals and trees block the wind don't confuse yourself here as that is kind of easy LMAO and as you already said we don't have any trees.
Either the trees help, or they don't.
We don't have trees.You have trees and they help you shoot small groups.
Here's how I see it.
Lets see it from someones elses perspective for awhile as you have goty much of this stuff confused.
Now, I have to tell you, I got a terrific laugh out of one of your statements above. I've seen this before by a "Wind Reader", and it was hilarious. Tell me, how does someone know you are holding center? Does he just assume this because some people do? I suppose that's possible but, what could you possibly learn from that persons gun? How do you know how well it shoots?
4Mesh out here we are a friendly bunch and if the guy sitting next to you asks were you were holding we tell him the truth.Its okay to be honest out here.I did find your statement what could you learn to be quite amazing.I am going to answer your question only because it shocked me.If the guy next to you is shooting a 338 at 3000 fps and he hits 1 foot to the right you can hold at the edge of the 5 ring and pull the trigger while watching the flags.If he is 1 foot to the right and you are 2 feet to the right you get a rough estimate of how far to hold left in the same condition.Do you do it differently?
How do you know how much they've adjusted.
If they are holding for center they are holding for center.If they have made any adjustments I don't ask them the question.
As for Jim Hardy, he said he reads wind in F-class very conventionally, and did the same thing anyone else does when he shot benchrest. I really don't know why you keep referring to it.
4Mesh he said yes you can to your wind reading post and he hasn't shot benchrest since he started shooting F-Class.He said he is better now because now he can read the wind correctly not like before when he was reading it like you do.
Vinny Vinny Vinny
You asked why am I bothering trying to help out ol 4Mesh on reading the wind so I'll tell you.
This forum is a wealth of mis-information and we need to get it right for those viewing without posting.
In the case of 4Mesh he is denser than depleted uranium but if you break through that hard exterior and show him what is right he can be salvaged.In a post on the general discussion forum somebody asked how much horsepower a 300 win mag has.I answered 4580 hp and was immediately jumped on.You see ol 4Mesh thought it to be 1.2 hp so we went back and forth for 6 pages before I quit trying to help him.Next thing you know Alinwa is telling me that the engineer I was talking too dummied down the answer because he was talking to me a big ole dummy.Well at about page 8 or 9 Vibe(Dave Epperson) took over and it took 15 or 17 pages but he finaly got ol 4Mesh straightened out over the phone.So you see there is light at the end of the tunnel.I did feel a little bad that I jumped out after only 5-8 pages but like you I figured he was a lost cause and I was wasting bandwidth only to discover he wasn't understanding what I and others were telling him.He wasn't learning because we weren't communicating correctly.
Lynn aka Waterboy
