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Two threads below may not be advertising but I would say the word is out for all slobs to read.
Two threads below may not be advertising but I would say the word is out for all slobs to read.
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The problem with your comparison is that both drivers have to pass a review before being allowed to perform such acts; at present there are no requirements for LR shooting of game; should there be?
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Winmod70
I believe, that apparently there are some countries where one has to past a competency test every year to be able to hunt moose. Apparently the requirements for one to pass he/she has to hit the vital area drawn on a life size moose paper target at whereabouts of 80 metre distance with several shots.(what a friend from there told me I think it was three, but I don't remember everything forever) One lot of shots is shooting on a standing target the second lot of shots is shooting on a moving target. The vital area has to be hit with the required number of shots in both shooting sessions. A minimum calibre/bullet is apparently also required. True on not, I don't know for sure as I've never been there.
A Licence for a Long range hunting? Absolutely.With a minimum calibre/cartridge/bullet/velocity requirements also specified.
Shoot well
Peter
I believe, that apparently there are some countries where one has to past a competency test every year to be able to hunt moose. Apparently the requirements for one to pass he/she has to hit the vital area drawn on a life size moose paper target at whereabouts of 80 metre distance with several shots.(what a friend from there told me I think it was three, but I don't remember everything forever) One lot of shots is shooting on a standing target the second lot of shots is shooting on a moving target. The vital area has to be hit with the required number of shots in both shooting sessions. A minimum calibre/bullet is apparently also required. True on not, I don't know for sure as I've never been there.
A Licence for a Long range hunting? Absolutely.With a minimum calibre/cartridge/bullet/velocity requirements also specified.
Shoot well
Peter
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Nor is there a "requirement" for short range shooting of game!! Unless you consider the the minimum age at wich you may buy a license (fourteen in ND). WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
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not saying who is right or wrong,but if someone tells me i cant do or try something i am going to try to do it to prove them wrong.i think like this.if it dont involve me or my family,do what you want.i sat here and read all the post for the past hour and wasted my time.if a few knowledgable people would have answered his question and question only this post would not have lasted this long.i read here to learn some things about shooting.hunting and shooting is """my "" past time,and i have learned alot from some of you and there is to much knowledgeher to be wasted like this.does every one agree.think about. later,scottms7171
not saying who is right or wrong,but if someone tells me i cant do or try something i am going to try to do it to prove them wrong.i think like this.if it dont involve me or my family,do what you want.i sat here and read all the post for the past hour and wasted my time.if a few knowledgable people would have answered his question and question only this post would not have lasted this long.i read here to learn some things about shooting.hunting and shooting is """my "" past time,and i have learned alot from some of you and there is to much knowledgeher to be wasted like this.does every one agree.think about. later,scottms7171
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I guess I should dispense with the sarcasm, dry humor, and my feeble attempt at whit....and say what I need to say.
The LR guys I was talking about where complete idiots without a clue....I was making fun of them.As far as the gun companies...they promote LR hunting, with out any instructions, directions, ect........, and NO ONE seems to think twice about that. That is their right. At least I push for the "whole system".....gun, optics, loading, practice, range finders, spotters, portable weather stations, pocket computers, ballistic programs, ect....ect............AND BE ABLE TO USE THEM!!!
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The previous post compared a exercise that allows action after passing a review compared to one that doesn't; today slobs can acquire a hunting license, go about blasting at will and that should be changed whatever the distance. I pity anybody on the governing board that dictates rules for the LR shooting of game; the considerations would be endless and in my opinion worthless.
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EXACTLY.....And the same slob can buy the 500 hp Shelby GT 500 Mustang off of my show room, drive like an idiot at speeds close to 200mph, break all of the rules, have a drink or two, and maybe kill a family in the process. Now, this slob took drivers ed (both class room and behind the wheel), took a drivers test (both written and driving), had to pass an eye test. And there are all sorts of people who dictate the rules, and a whole bunch more who enforce them. This man is a slob, no doubt! Now, Should there be a law that says he can't buy my Shelby? Is everyone who buys a high performance car a slob? How can we tell? Do we lump everyone together?
How do you dictate ethics laws....Should we only sell cars that go 60 mph, so it is less likely that people will get hurt....how about 30 mph to save even more people.....hell, make them all walk....no more people getting killed in/by cars going to fast. You know, we should ban alcohol also. How many people are murdered by people in a drunken rage??? Same with drugs, too many people die because of illeag.....oh ya, we DID THAT, and people still die!! Hundreds of Billions of $$$ spent on enforcement and education, and it still happens!! Do we start regulating firearms? Make guns that only shoot 100 yards! Make scopes that go way out of focus past 100yds. Do we lump everyone together and make us all suffer?(THIS, BY THE WAY IS WHAT THE ANTI GUN LOBBY DOES RIGHT NOW. SOME IDIOT SHOOTS UP A SCHOOL OR A MALL WITH A HAND GUN OR HUNTING RIFLE.....WHATEVER.....AND THOSE GUNS ARE IMMEDIATELY ON THE HIT LIST. WE ARE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER)YOU CAN'T DICTATE ETHICS!!
THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IDIOTS AND SLOBS.
I DON'T LIKE TO BE LUMPED IN WITH THEM.
I AM AN AVID SHOOTER/ HUNTER (both LR & SR) WITH THE TOOLS, THE TALENT, THE PROPER RESPECT FOR THE GAME ANIMAL, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE ABILITY TO KNOW WHEN TO PASS ON A SHOT!
DO I WISH EVERY HUNTER WAS LIKE ME, OR LIKE ALL OF YOU? ABSOLUTELY. YOU ALL KNOW YOUR LIMITATIONS...300 YARDS OR 1000.
THEY AREN'T
NOT MUCH WE CAN DO, EXCEPT EDUCATE AND INFORM. NOT ETHICS, MIND YOU, BUT MARKSMANSHIP. When I do load development for people, I make them do all of the final shooting/sighting. They fight me tooth and nail. they don't want to embarrass them selfs, or something. They want me to shoot. If things go well, fine. If things don't go so well, I tell them that we need to work on both the "FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM AND THE TRACKING SYSTEM".
They look at the gun with a confused look on there face and say "OK.........good............................uh......................................whats that"?? EDUCATE
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It seems to me that the ethics of hunting boils down to the same thing that applies to most every other social situation - personal responsibility.
In the same manner that you can't legislate morality, I don't think additional regulations gets anywhere close to addressing the root problem. I would go so far as to say all these layers of regulations we have to live within contribute more to social misbehavior than solving anything.
The real question is - How do we encourage a change in personal responsibility? We have control over ourselves and some influence with our children, and perhaps a bit with friends and aquaintences. We can address individual situations as we come in contact with them. On a wider scale, I really have no clue... Wish I did.
Geez, if we gotta have yardage police, caliber police, windage police, trajectory police, bullet police, energy police, optic police... I'm gonna start screaming and probably won't stop. I'll try not to go postal, though.
In the same manner that you can't legislate morality, I don't think additional regulations gets anywhere close to addressing the root problem. I would go so far as to say all these layers of regulations we have to live within contribute more to social misbehavior than solving anything.
The real question is - How do we encourage a change in personal responsibility? We have control over ourselves and some influence with our children, and perhaps a bit with friends and aquaintences. We can address individual situations as we come in contact with them. On a wider scale, I really have no clue... Wish I did.
Geez, if we gotta have yardage police, caliber police, windage police, trajectory police, bullet police, energy police, optic police... I'm gonna start screaming and probably won't stop. I'll try not to go postal, though.
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WINMOD70,your really Sarah Brady,arent you?
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Longrange Hunter
Hey Lynn.
He doesnt like LONG RANGE HUNTERS. uNFAIR PURSUIT WHAT A GUY TOLD ME ONE TIME. But it was ok to sit in a tree stand and shoot one with a Bow or a Rifle and have it run away...and never find it: You said it right Lynn,stop the BS.
Hey Lynn.
He doesnt like LONG RANGE HUNTERS. uNFAIR PURSUIT WHAT A GUY TOLD ME ONE TIME. But it was ok to sit in a tree stand and shoot one with a Bow or a Rifle and have it run away...and never find it: You said it right Lynn,stop the BS.
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WINMOD70,your really Sarah Brady,arent you?
I like your humor, I am not Ms. Sarah nor am I the posterboy for the NRA. My concern is for those that promote an unreasonable activity with "sniper" weapons; a current popular preception of an average American that views a 1000 yard gun. We don't need shooters performing Bambi stunts in any form of hunting and that includes those that need to maximise their distance, they would be better served at a golf driving range.
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GOLF!!! My handicap hovers around scratch.....I ALSO AM A MEMBER OF THE GOLF COURSE SUPERINTENDENTS ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA, RUN THE RESTRAINT AT THE CLUB, IN CHARGE OF THE PRO SHOP AND CLUB HOUSE, AND HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS! YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO THERE, EITHER.
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You're right, I won't go there; I've never played a game of golf nor do I intend to start. It would not hurt my feelings one bit to see you spend the rest of your days chasing balls if that makes you feel better about yourself, in fact for great sport practice until you can kill Bambi with a golfball, that would really impress them in the clubhouse.
winmod70
Sorry but am not amused with you calling [my rifles- sniper rifles] Must be you don't agree with the second amendment. Besides there are no laws against shooting long rang. But there is against letting you diesel truck run for more than five minutes,ask the D.E.C that one.
Sorry but am not amused with you calling [my rifles- sniper rifles] Must be you don't agree with the second amendment. Besides there are no laws against shooting long rang. But there is against letting you diesel truck run for more than five minutes,ask the D.E.C that one.
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I said that your 1000 yard rifle was preceived as a sniper rifle to the average American; I do agree with the Constitution and it's amendments including the Second. A previous post stated my thoughts about acting within the laws and the results of that thinking.
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Who Are You, Really?
WINMOD70,
Exactly who are you anyway? I see that you were new here about the time this post started. Your only post's are on this subject (of which you are blissfully ignorant). You haven't blessed us with any wisdom on any of the other post's on this wonderful website. Nor have you asked any questions regarding the bench rest game, guns, loading, bag technique, ect.... Hell, not for anything to do with rifle accuracy or loading. You either are the greatest bench rester on earth, knows everything about it, and won't help us out with all of your acquired knowledge, or just some a-hole who likes to argue.
You showed up with an agenda to this web site. No other reason!! Plain and simple. Of course it is your right to do so, but your even your "handle" of winmod70 tells me you don't know squat about the accuracy game (no offense to you fine folks here who "also" shoot a winny, but very few of you shoot them competitively, so please give me some latitude on this ) I am the first to acknowledge that I am near the bottom of the heap on bench rest related knowledge compared to the group that frequent this site. I may be a little arrogant to say that I may be as good as anyone here when it comes to LR hunting. That is why I argued, in spite of being told eleventeen times ......THIS IS A BENCHREST SITE HERE PEOPLE!!!!
I was told that if you argue with an idiot long enough, it becomes difficult to tell the difference! To the rest of you on this website, I apologize for that. Most of you were smart enough to know better. I, unfortunately, am not that smart. I thought I was fighting the good fight for you guys who had much better things to do with your time than do I.
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WINMOD70,
Exactly who are you anyway? I see that you were new here about the time this post started. Your only post's are on this subject (of which you are blissfully ignorant). You haven't blessed us with any wisdom on any of the other post's on this wonderful website. Nor have you asked any questions regarding the bench rest game, guns, loading, bag technique, ect.... Hell, not for anything to do with rifle accuracy or loading. You either are the greatest bench rester on earth, knows everything about it, and won't help us out with all of your acquired knowledge, or just some a-hole who likes to argue.
You showed up with an agenda to this web site. No other reason!! Plain and simple. Of course it is your right to do so, but your even your "handle" of winmod70 tells me you don't know squat about the accuracy game (no offense to you fine folks here who "also" shoot a winny, but very few of you shoot them competitively, so please give me some latitude on this
) I am the first to acknowledge that I am near the bottom of the heap on bench rest related knowledge compared to the group that frequent this site. I may be a little arrogant to say that I may be as good as anyone here when it comes to LR hunting. That is why I argued, in spite of being told eleventeen times ......THIS IS A BENCHREST SITE HERE PEOPLE!!!!I was told that if you argue with an idiot long enough, it becomes difficult to tell the difference! To the rest of you on this website, I apologize for that. Most of you were smart enough to know better. I, unfortunately, am not that smart. I thought I was fighting the good fight for you guys who had much better things to do with your time than do I.
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