Tony,
I'd agree with you. Your shots would mean 5 in the 10 ring @ 200 yards. The other way would mean you dropped a point. It's not all about pin point accuracy, it's partly about avoiding mistakes.
Rick
Given good equipment and a decent shooter....I'd say it's all about doing away with mistakes. Think about it. If you shoot well enough to just stay clean at 200, you shot a .6246 MOA group. Plenty can do better, but that ain't bad for 200.....at the worst! I think I have that right and correct me if I'm wrong. That's group size minus .308 divided by 2 x1.047. Is that right? . I see a lot of groups at 200 , in reports that are worse than that and suspect that they too made a mistake of some sort.--Mike
the problem with the three of you is that THIS IS NOT about group. it was a discussion about score and alternatives to the current score rules. it never was about group.........
It all depends on conditions. Wheter we admitt it or not, Benchrest Shooters are still at the mercy of the conditions you are forced to shoot in.
It is no different in score. If you plant a shot just touching on the left side of the moth ball, and then one just touching the right side, that is a one inch+ group. But, they are both scored as a 10.
In fact, if a shooter puts five shots inside the moth ball, and just misses the X with all five, he gets no more credit. They are all still "10's".
Please Someone figure out how to score by overlay or something that gauges the middle of the shot rather then the best or worst edge..This aint group we know that and it aint muzzleloading either but I can tell you this much,Muzzleloading match's are scored from the center of the fired shot,perhaps because a 32 cal is much smaller then a 54 cal,or better yet a 68 cal,at any rate after attending seven muzzleloader match's this spring and summer i heard no scoring arguments of any kind...I'm just going to take a wild guess here, but I would be willing to bet that there has been muzzleloading match's going on for just a few "100" years longer then Benchrest Match's of either score or group....LW
Please Someone figure out how to score by overlay or something that gauges the middle of the shot rather then the best or worst edge..This aint group we know that and it aint muzzleloading either but I can tell you this much,Muzzleloading match's are scored from the center of the fired shot,perhaps because a 32 cal is much smaller then a 54 cal,or better yet a 68 cal,at any rate after attending seven muzzleloader match's this spring and summer i heard no scoring arguments of any kind...I'm just going to take a wild guess here, but I would be willing to bet that there has been muzzleloading match's going on for just a few "100" years longer then Benchrest Match's of either score or group....LW
It is no different in score. If you plant a shot just touching on the left side of the moth ball, and then one just touching the right side, that is a one inch+ group. But, they are both scored as a 10.
In fact, if a shooter puts five shots inside the moth ball, and just misses the X with all five, he gets no more credit. They are all still "10's".
.jackie
Maybe a compromise of thoughts would be to add more resolution around the center of the target.
Add a couple of rings inside the current 9 ring. If the current 9 ring location became a 7 and you had additional rings inside that for 8, 9, 10, and a very small "x", you are requiring a shooter to shoot closer to the center for a clean score, and any that drift out a small amount will drop points that wouldn't under the current system.
You could take that idea to any degree by putting as many score rings as you wanted within a given diameter, but simple is better I would think.
I would also keep it simple by using best edge to score that target.
the problem with the three of you is that THIS IS NOT about group. it was a discussion about score and alternatives to the current score rules. it never was about group.........
is simply can you or can you not hit a given size circle. It's not about who hits closest to the center. The 6PPC is supposed to be the best when it comes to group. If a 30 can score better, then it should have the right to do so. We have to put up with added recoil. If i shoot at a deer with a 22, and shoot over its back by .25", then I have simply missed. Had I been shooting an 8" projectile, the deer would be dead. I see no reason to complicate matters. You either shoot groups or you shoot score. It only takes a .3" agg. to shoot a 25X target with a 6mm bullet if you completely figure out the wind effect.
Michael