What has really advanced rimfire accuracy ?

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tuna921

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Is it the better ammo over the last 10 years ?

Is it better barrels ?

Is it better actions ?

Is it better stock design ?

Is it better rests and equipment ?

I don't think it is anyone person or thing but a combination of all of the above
 
I do agree with all of the above that it all may be better somewhat.....I was not shooting back in the old Lapua, Federal and Tenex hayday but I think there are 3 main things not in any particular order.

1. I think especially Eley is turning out some very good ammo...not all of it, but more of it is better.
2. I think the barrel makers are making better barrels suitable for rimfire, they don't take a bunch of massaging to get them to shoot well....before just a handfull of gunsmiths had really understood that art.
3. I think though there is disagreement as why barrels do what they do....we have devices to better tune the better barrels that we do have.

Just my opinion.
Charlie
 
It is probably all above, but then againRed Shoes won the PSL SHOOT at Livonia using a older 54 Anschuts,I am fairly new to rim fire b/r have the Jewell triggers been around for the rimfire actions.
 
Halo68,
Exactly, Joe's Anschutz has a stock action and trigger and a modified, pillar, bedded stock. What it also has is a good broughton barrel with a Pappas noodle and 2 mid barrel dampeners on it shooting good eley ammo. Oh and most important.....Joe tuning and shooting it.

Charlie
 
cpeters said:
Halo68,
Exactly, Joe's Anschutz has a stock action and trigger and a modified, pillar, bedded stock. What it also has is a good broughton barrel with a Pappas noodle and 2 mid barrel dampeners on it shooting good eley ammo. Oh and most important.....Joe tuning and shooting it.

Charlie
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I agree that there are a lot of innovative people advancing our sport with new products.......I really think that's the key to us getting better and better......
 
I 'd be willing to bet the two major advancements that stand above all are better ammunition on average in particular and far higher numbers of barrels able to extract the best from it IMHO.
 
cpeters, tuna921, Tim,
Don't forget shooters still wanting to win......Joe Besche was winning some 4 to 6 years ago.....he still wants to win. That improves his performance as much as the rest.

Carp
 
Actually,

I don't think the rifles I have today are any more accurate than the 40X with a Lilja and Harrels tuner on it, in a McMillain Benchrest Stock I had in 1997. I was able to find good Lapua and other ammo, such as RWS and Federal that worked great then for it, It shot as well as the rifles I have today. I think the big advancement is the greater numbers of people involved. More people push for better stuff. Perhaps the ammo is generally better but I never had a problem finding good ammo way back then.

We were shooting IBS and USBR targets back then in them days. I shot a few 250's and won a few matches even then.

JMHO,

Pete
 
Pete Wass said:
I don't think the rifles I have today are any more accurate than the 40X with a Lilja and Harrels tuner on it, in a McMillain Benchrest Stock I had in 1997. I was able to find good Lapua and other ammo, such as RWS and Federal that worked great then for it, It shot as well as the rifles I have today. I think the big advancement is the greater numbers of people involved. More people push for better stuff. Perhaps the ammo is generally better but I never had a problem finding good ammo way back then.

We were shooting IBS and USBR targets back then in them days. I shot a few 250's and won a few matches even then.

JMHO,

Pete
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An exception to every rule Pete.....you're it.
 
Carp said:
cpeters, tuna921, Tim,
Don't forget shooters still wanting to win......Joe Besche was winning some 4 to 6 years ago.....he still wants to win. That improves his performance as much as the rest.

Carp
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I don't think there's any argument that there are probably more really serious shooters these days, especially those willing to get equipment that stands up to tough competition. I took the question to be primarily about equipment, however.
 
Carp said:
cpeters, tuna921, Tim,
Don't forget shooters still wanting to win......Joe Besche was winning some 4 to 6 years ago.....he still wants to win. That improves his performance as much as the rest.



Carp
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The shooter is always key to it.We have our good and bad days.........Wind flags choices are more ....Noodles.. Different tuners...lot more action choices
 
I think our equipment components have certainly gotten better over the years but that is only part of the story. I think our gunsmiths are better and the average middle of the pack shooter now has access to several great smiths that are willing to build a world class rifle for the average shooter. With these great rifles, a shooter can get down to the business of learning how to shoot rather than waste time just chasing their tail with a rifle not capable of the task. Better communication between our great gunsmiths and equipment mfgs (especially barrel makers) have also resulted in improvements.
 
tuna921 said:
Is it the better ammo over the last 10 years ?

Is it better barrels ?

Is it better actions ?

Is it better stock design ?

Is it better rests and equipment ?

I don't think it is anyone person or thing but a combination of all of the above
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Hi Tuna,

I would agree with your list, better ammo and bbls head the list in my book too. But all of the above. I go back far enough to remember when 250s were rare and a big thing. They still are special, but not as rare as they once were.

Al
 
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edgerat said:
I can solve this one. Me. I have advanced rimfire accuracy. You're welcome.
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Wow you learn something new everyday.......Email me sometime on it ....Better not I have extra eyes as yahoo says.....We are here to have fun and Edgerat your full of fun and it .......

Jim
 
Al Hadfield said:
Hi Tuna,

I would agree with your list, better ammo and bbls head the list in my book too. But all of the above. I go back far enough to remember when 250s were rare and a big thing. They still are special, but not as rare as they once were.

Al
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Absolutely correct on that, go back 10 even 5 years, how many sporter matches would have the top 4-5 places with 250's ? How about 1?
 
We still do not have a 25x target in the books. On a serious note, I agree with Bill "the B is for Bourbon" Buskey, communication between smith and shooter and smith and the manufacturers is the real reason that waxed lead bullet rimfire accuracy has advanced as much as it has. In the last year alone, my friends, we have come so far.
Isaac
 
Pete Wass said:
Perhaps the ammo is generally better but I never had a problem finding good ammo way back then.
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The ammo has improved .........slightly. The big difference is that there's more of it. What was once the province of a select few has now become more widely available thanks to the increased production volumes etc.

Ammunition that would have once been reserved for the top position shooters now get let onto the open market. Combine that with more readily available top end barrels and more people shooting comps and you have a winning formula.
 
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