Vern juenke machine

You should box those up in yellow boxes and sell them. Others do and seem to make lots of money judging by the wait they have
 
JerrySharrett said:
Not the cull jackets. The culls that go out the window or are they all keepers by then?
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Jerry,

Since my range is about 75 feet from the shop, the plan is to test the lot of bullets by shooting them out the window. If they doesnt work then it's back to the drawing board.
 
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Just going through a December 1989 PS mag and there is an ad and photo that looks to be a Juenke machine, sold by the Accuracy Den, and it is described as "electronic wall thickness tester for selecting cases. Bullets, and jackets". "New model with motor drive-a mildstone in accuracy aid devices".

So, it was apparently designed to test wall thickness?

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The Juneke machine is something that's always going to be in the hands of competition shooters.
There will be thoses with and those without. The ones with will always use it ,the ones without will always doubt it. I know I will always use it . I do believe it shows some things, but I don't think it does what some people think it does. In my option I don't think its worth more than $1500.00 and some of the older designs are worth less. What a great mystery machine.
 
Lou, I had use of one for about two years. This was back when many of us we're still shooting Jeff Fowler's bullets, right around the time Lester came upt with his double radius boat tail that shot so well.

It did show variations in bullets, but just what that variation meant was always a mystery to me. I would take bullets that checked as close to "zero" movement as you could ask for, and shoot them mixed in with bullets that were by the machine's standards awful. I never could tell the difference on the target at 100 and 200 yards.

If I remember correctly, One of the best bullets, by the machines standards, that I ever tested on it was Ed Watson's. But they shot no better, or worse than the Fowlers at 100 and 200 yards.

By the way, I rarely had Fowlers that would check better than 3-4 lines of deviation. But yhey all shot pretty darned good.

Another great bullet by the machine's standards were Armand Paglia's.

But, the very best bullets we ever checked were some 112 grn 30 caliber BIB's. On most of those, the needle would just quiver. We all know how good those puppy's shoot.
I can see where it would be of a benefit for the long range shooters. But many of the things that they strive for in that Discipline just does't seem to matter in the Point Blank Game.

Jim Foster actually owned the one I used, I gave it back after using it for a while.
 
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Vern Juenke machine

I honestly can't see any reason to own one.
some people may think you need one others not .
Nice gadget , expensive , tells you nothing. You still have to pull the trigger at the right time.
I don't know why you want to check the jackets that closely. Your better off checking the bullets for marks,
Made in shipping and handling . The jackets we get today are the best that can be made, be it J4 Sierra or Pinehardt.
The really quality of the bullet comes from GREAT bullet Dies and good set up and quality control.
 
I don't believe you're checking jacket thickness .
I believe it reads something else that is what I have found in my research.I agree the price is ridiculous.

I think you would be crazy to pay over $1600.00.
 
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jackie schmidt said:
Lou, I had use of one for about two years. This was back when many of us we're still shooting Jeff Fowler's bullets, right around the time Lester came upt with his double radius boat tail that shot so well.

It did show variations in bullets, but just what that variation meant was always a mystery to me. I would take bullets that checked as close to "zero" movement as you could ask for, and shoot them mixed in with bullets that were by the machine's standards awful. I never could tell the difference on the target at 100 and 200 yards.

If I remember correctly, One of the best bullets, by the machines standards, that I ever tested on it was Ed Watson's. But they shot no better, or worse than the Fowlers at 100 and 200 yards.

By the way, I rarely had Fowlers that would check better than 3-4 lines of deviation. But yhey all shot pretty darned good.

Another great bullet by the machine's standards were Armand Paglia's.

But, the very best bullets we ever checked were some 112 grn 30 caliber BIB's. On most of those, the needle would just quiver. We all know how good those puppy's shoot.
I can see where it would be of a benefit for the long range shooters. But many of the things that they strive for in that Discipline just does't seem to matter in the Point Blank Game.
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I agree with you and Lou. Whatever it measures, the point is to have the lowest deviation possible, thus indicating the best possible homogeneity: that reassures us...
Whether it translates into measurable benefits at "point blank" ranges is another matter. I have tested the Euber FB 68gr in the Sierra jacket against the same in, I assume, J4 jackets on the Vern Juenke Machine; winner is... The Sierra jacketed ones: between quiver and 3 déviations. On target, I'd be tempted to say they shoot a little bit better but I couldn't prove it as I haven't shot enough yet to discern a tendency.
Anyroad, I like it when the needle doesn't jump all over the place.
FWIW.
 
1000 yard said:
they really do work ,and have helped many of the 1000 yard shooters I know including , myself set many records here in Montana , they are hard to find vern juenke accuracy den reno,nevada made theme
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Would you expand that a bit to say how it helped. I think the problem is that there are few people that know how to use it to their advantage.
 
Dusty Stevens said:
Keeping somebody from shaking a chicken foot over your equipment helps a bunch. Bad juju for sure
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I think that's why a lot of folks load and clean inside a trailer. BUT...They just don't know how powerful things like a chicken foot really are. On the other hand, me and Bill Saxton made an attempt to thwart Ed Watson at Wilmington once upon a time. As it turned out, everything we did acted against us and we decided that we had to read up on such activities. I actually did just that and while it helped a bit, a good barrel ended up being the key. If you don't have a good barrel, you're susceptible to such things as well as some other not so tricky stuff.
 
This Vern Juenke machine, why don't we call it an approximator since it approximately, almost, nearly tells us something to think about while we are doing the really important things like uniforming primer pockets and deburring flash holes!
 
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