Tuner opinions?

TrxR said:
Got any pictures of your tuners? Are they available anywhere?
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http://benchrest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22580&stc=1&d=1561584587

This design uses a rubber marine bearing that has a thin brass shell pressed onto the tuner body. The thread is a .900 diameter 36 tpi.

This is a similiar one that has a piece of hard rubber pressed tight onto the tuner body instead of the marine bearing. I make the hard rubber donut out of rubber from bumpers on tug boats.

http://benchrest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22581&stc=1&d=1561584892

I build these for myself and several friends. I have no interest in selling them commercially.
 

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FBecigneul said:
Really??!!
How do you explain this?

http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?101727-Kudos-John-Cascarino!
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Really Francis? Are u drinking water from Maine or are you your state's answer to Peter Wass? I've seen John screw up a number of matches because of his tuner. You don't believe me, just ask him he'll tell u the same thing I'm telling you. I told him one day at one of the state matches that he screwed up at 100 because once again he was moving that sucker all around and getting nowhere with it, I said John if I see you messing around with that tuner today the way you did yesterday I'm gonna cut your fingers off. Of course he laughed.
 
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willytp said:
https://bulletcentral.com/product/bukys-tsi-barrel-tuner/
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Far be it from me to criticize someone with Gene Bukys creds. But it has never made sense to me to have a tool to adjust the tune, then lock it down and go back to tuning with powder. Obviously it works for him. Two weeks ago I attended a match and the morning was on the cool side. As is my practice I went pre loaded. As my practice is also to take the sight in period (UBR match) and part of the first relay to check my tune, I fired a couple of three shot groups and determined that I was very badly out of tune. It took two adjustments and several groups before I brought it back in tune. Had I not made the adjustments I would have finished far back in the pack. I doubt I could ever be convinced to lock down my tuners and adjust with the load. But hey, that's just me.

Rick
 
alinwa said:
Rick,

have you ever had a setup which shot better with a tuner than with a bare barrel?


tx


al
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Al, I'd have to say that they all have shot better with a tuner. But I'll need to qualify that. I only shoot score and I have from day one, gone to matches pre loaded. In many places there is a wide temperature swing from early morning to afternoon. 30º isn't unusual depending on the time of the year. I would frequently be badly out of tune for the first match and come back in as the day warmed. This was with a 30 BR. Since I discovered tuners about ten years ago I have eliminated that problem as long as I have the presence of mind to make tuner adjustments. My current 220 Beggs barrel is the best barrel I've owned, but without the tuner I would be forced to chase the tune with powder adjustments. I know that can be done, but it's not part of my skill set and I can't see why I'd choose it over a simple turn of a tuner. I agree with many that a tuner won't make a barrel shoot any better, but it will make it much easier and faster to find the best tune. Does that answer your question?

Rick
 
I’m with you, Rick. And Pete is right on with the idea of eliminating the variable in powder weight. So then we are down to actually tuning with the tuner. I don’t understand why, after preloading with a charge that is easy to tune, someone would change a load instead of the tuner. But then, I do things my way.
 
Greyfox said:
Al, I'd have to say that they all have shot better with a tuner. But I'll need to qualify that. I only shoot score and I have from day one, gone to matches pre loaded. In many places there is a wide temperature swing from early morning to afternoon. 30º isn't unusual depending on the time of the year. I would frequently be badly out of tune for the first match and come back in as the day warmed. This was with a 30 BR. Since I discovered tuners about ten years ago I have eliminated that problem as long as I have the presence of mind to make tuner adjustments. My current 220 Beggs barrel is the best barrel I've owned, but without the tuner I would be forced to chase the tune with powder adjustments. I know that can be done, but it's not part of my skill set and I can't see why I'd choose it over a simple turn of a tuner. I agree with many that a tuner won't make a barrel shoot any better, but it will make it much easier and faster to find the best tune. Does that answer your question?

Rick
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Thank You :)
 
To trxR;
Be aware that the original setting and procedure was by Bukys with his tuner and his barrel. If you change anything, you change everything. What was the length and weight or taper of his barrel? Which of his tuners is he referring to? What caliber was he shooting, can we assume 6PPC? What powder charge was he using? Then ask yourself all these questions.
 
One winter

I loaded a bunch of rounds up and took them with me to Florida. Back then, I had a friend who had a second home in an exclusive community that were Shooters, Equestrians, Flyers and some who just liked the exclusivity of a finite number of folks around, people from all over the world, even the president of Taurus Arms had a place there. But I do digress. I had a tuner on one of my HBR rifles. I went there to shoot and told my host I would show him how to tune a load in using the tuner. I hadn't tuned the barrel before leaving Maine. I was easily able to tune that load in just three groups; just old TNT bullets and Reloader 7. ( likely some luck involved there) My host was so impressed he began mess with barrel weights himself. He favored the muzzle break type because he was debilitated, to some degree. It's all about weight. Sadly, he passed a few years ago. I miss him. He was an engineer, by the way.

Pete
 
Greyfox said:
Al, I'd have to say that they all have shot better with a tuner. But I'll need to qualify that. I only shoot score and I have from day one, gone to matches pre loaded. In many places there is a wide temperature swing from early morning to afternoon. 30º isn't unusual depending on the time of the year. I would frequently be badly out of tune for the first match and come back in as the day warmed. This was with a 30 BR. Since I discovered tuners about ten years ago I have eliminated that problem as long as I have the presence of mind to make tuner adjustments. My current 220 Beggs barrel is the best barrel I've owned, but without the tuner I would be forced to chase the tune with powder adjustments. I know that can be done, but it's not part of my skill set and I can't see why I'd choose it over a simple turn of a tuner. I agree with many that a tuner won't make a barrel shoot any better, but it will make it much easier and faster to find the best tune. Does that answer your question?

Rick
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This mirrors my experiences since playing with a tuner. It just took me longer to figure out I needed one.
I have always preloaded do to the fact that I was the Match Director for the first 18 years of my BR career, and had no time to screw with loading at the range.
I always spent a OCD amount of time tuning my barrels for the middle of the best node and then took my chances.
Now I do shoot out west where we don't get the radical humidity changes so it all worked fairly well.
Then I discovered tuners! (I have only used Ezell's so I won't comment on different types.)
I still find the best node on the barrel, and then like Rick said, a little time spent on the first relay to fine tune, and then maybe 1/2 a line during the day to keep it that way.
Easy-peasy.
They still don't help with stupid decisions, like starting in the wrong condition or thinking your omnipotent and can shoot through the change you can clearly see on the flags!:p
Greg
 
wfcustom said:
This mirrors my experiences since playing with a tuner. It just took me longer to figure out I needed one.
I have always preloaded do to the fact that I was the Match Director for the first 18 years of my BR career, and had no time to screw with loading at the range.
I always spent a OCD amount of time tuning my barrels for the middle of the best node and then took my chances.
Now I do shoot out west where we don't get the radical humidity changes so it all worked fairly well.
Then I discovered tuners! (I have only used Ezell's so I won't comment on different types.)
I still find the best node on the barrel, and then like Rick said, a little time spent on the first relay to fine tune, and then maybe 1/2 a line during the day to keep it that way.
Easy-peasy.
They still don't help with stupid decisions, like starting in the wrong condition or thinking your omnipotent and can shoot through the change you can clearly see on the flags!:p
Greg
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Right on the money!
One thing that hasn't been talked about much here is that when you go to the line during an agg and lets say your rifle shot a real small group on the prior target and you go to the line and the rifle bucks and shakes and you can't get two to touch. This is very common and is also when you can turn the tuner, usually in, and get it to come back to tune. Using an Ezell tuner over the last year and a half I've done this many times and saved some aggs. You can also take a youngster that knows nothing about tuning a PPC or keeping it in tune and they can shoot very well adjusting the tuner during the day. I've used both Bucky's and Ezell tuners and think the Ezell has more authority, having said that, the Bucky's can be adjusted to get back to tune too, so they can be used pretty much the same.
 
dave short

mr dave short has and is making tuners now,
.saw one and it looked realy nice,he says he is putting on some rifles he builds and getting good feed back.call him at 724-875-5000..
gary
 
John Cascarino

Won this past weekend's agg in New Your twisting his Beggs tuner sans the "Snubber Washer" this time. 4 ounces of wonder I call them.

Pete
 
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