Scope Power Checker
- Thread starter Pete Roberson
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Affirmative, my response is, I believe a qualified one. I've shot the scopes mentioned in matches as well as various Sightron, Nightforce, Leupold LCS and March scopes in either rf or cf matches. I've also discussed the issue with a couple shooting opthomologists.
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Pete -If there's a protest, the only method available is the one I mentioned. A "DNQ" call could (and should) be made if the numbers come way out of line...indicating a scope power modification. That said, the question quickly becomes how much is "way out of line"?
That's a tough question among sensible competitors. The answer seems simple but the impact of simplicity is what makes it tough. Said impact is why we're writing...
That's a tough question among sensible competitors. The answer seems simple but the impact of simplicity is what makes it tough. Said impact is why we're writing...
Bill Wynne
Active member
It is no big deal for us to play by any rules that are laid out. 6.5 power means 6.5 power. I can use a fixed 6 power and be safe or we could use a variable power scope and set it at 6 and tape it for the match.
I believe it would not hurt the game to alter the rules to unlimited scope power. Scope power then would become a mute point that would not have to be brought up.
Bill Wynne
I believe it would not hurt the game to alter the rules to unlimited scope power. Scope power then would become a mute point that would not have to be brought up.
Bill Wynne
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bob finger
Guest
Bill: I concur! However I fear it will not happen soon. Those of us who feel that removing the 6.5 limitation must keep pushing for its adoption. We WILL prevail someday. bob
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Don Stith
Guest
With that logic, you might as well eliminate the 7 1/2 pound, convex stock, safety and magazine requirement. Then you no longer have a sporter class.
Pete Roberson
Member
Bill, I agree it`s no big deal for the majority, but my question is for the one or two that don`t feel they should have to play by the rules,or the person that has a variable that wants to be sure it`s not more than 6.5 when there isn`t a mark for the 6.5!
Making it unlimited scope defeats the purpose of sporter class altogether, there are many sporters right now that with a 36 or even just a 24 would blow allot of heavy guns right out of the water. ( that topic is for another day)
I started this post because I have a variable that`s not marked for 6.5 and I need all the help I can get, so I was hoping to find a simple solution, that`s all.
Pete
Making it unlimited scope defeats the purpose of sporter class altogether, there are many sporters right now that with a 36 or even just a 24 would blow allot of heavy guns right out of the water. ( that topic is for another day)
I started this post because I have a variable that`s not marked for 6.5 and I need all the help I can get, so I was hoping to find a simple solution, that`s all.
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bob finger
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Don: Good morning. We will have to agree to disagree. In my opinion the convex stock and magazine requirements coupled with the 7.5 pound no tuner rules are what make the sporter. It rides the bags differently and has tuning restrictions that do not exist in the other classes. I readily admit that I can shoot the 6 power scope, but not as well as those with better eyes. I think the eye strain for me causes me to not be as sharp for the guns we shoot after the sporter. I also think the safety requirement is a joke, all it adds is weight and what would Jewell do with those extra parts if it were eliminated?
The above is why I am hopeful the ARA sporter class takes off, but again in my opinion Dan went a bit too far with ARA rules. Narrow convex stocks and 8.5 pound limits only complicate things. Calling it sporter class in ARA is a poor choice of labels.
I will continue to lobby for a scope mag change in IR50. Until that day I will be along side you doing my best in sporter class, and I suspect you will usually post a better score than I. bob
The above is why I am hopeful the ARA sporter class takes off, but again in my opinion Dan went a bit too far with ARA rules. Narrow convex stocks and 8.5 pound limits only complicate things. Calling it sporter class in ARA is a poor choice of labels.
I will continue to lobby for a scope mag change in IR50. Until that day I will be along side you doing my best in sporter class, and I suspect you will usually post a better score than I. bob
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Don Stith
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Pete
Tim's beloved 4.5 to 14 is a good example of the 6 or 6.5 not being marked. From what I see the ones using that scope are setting it roughly half way between the 5 and the 8. That assumes the transition is linear rather than logarithmic . I do not know which it is. Now that I have acquired one, I will assume it is linear.
PS: my Night Force is more clear than my Mark 4 but does cost a bit more
Tim's beloved 4.5 to 14 is a good example of the 6 or 6.5 not being marked. From what I see the ones using that scope are setting it roughly half way between the 5 and the 8. That assumes the transition is linear rather than logarithmic . I do not know which it is. Now that I have acquired one, I will assume it is linear.
PS: my Night Force is more clear than my Mark 4 but does cost a bit more
That's one of the primary reasons there IS a sporter class Bill, and it would kill it.
Since I a. had one and b. am a match director i figured I'd call Leupold last year....linear. That being said you have to be careful so I made up a little scale to overlay the adjustment ring to keep it pretty accurate.
tonykharper
Well-known member
Tim,
I disagree. The Sporter class is a contest to see who, or whom, shoots the best, not who, or whom, sees the best. It is just a fact that older eyes just don't work as well as younger ones.
The new ARA Sporter class allows unlimited scope power and I think that is a good thing.
Tony
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Don Stith
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Tony
I think it is a hoot that you guys who are 15 years younger than me are using aging eyes as an excuse for higher power scopes on sporters. Present IR 50/50 sporter class is my favorite match.
I think it is a hoot that you guys who are 15 years younger than me are using aging eyes as an excuse for higher power scopes on sporters. Present IR 50/50 sporter class is my favorite match.
tonykharper
Well-known member
No Don,
I'm not using aging eyes as an excuse. I shoot sporter class in IR 50/50 and RBA, and intend to keep shooting it. But I know many shooters that don't shoot the sporter class because of the 6.5 power limit.
I see allowing higher power scopes as being a way to get more people to shoot sporter, and that would be a good thing.
Tony
Tony, if that logic prevailed we'd be changing the rules every few years as guys aged. The point was that the 6x represents part of the task. If it were the problem many here seem to think why then are the scores generally so much better the last couple years?
More than a couple of the top scoreline sporter aggs were attained by guys firmly in the old fart catagory.
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tonykharper
Well-known member
Hey Tim,
Some time those rule changes are called progress. Sometimes not. But I can't argue about some of the older guys shooting sporters. Seems I remember a 200 year old man cleaning everybody's clock not too long ago. But that was then, and this is now.
As you said, the 6X scope is part of the task. And I'm saying the class would be more popular if it were not.
The true test will be if ARA Sporter attracts many new shooters. I hope so!
Tony
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Pete Wass
Well-known member
I once thought:
younger people could see better through 6X scopes. Two Summers ago there was a 14 YO lad who began shooting 6X rifles with the group of guys I shoot with. He cleaned our clocks for a few matches and we older guys went around mumbling about young eyes.
Finally, one day I got to chatting with the lad and asked him if he could see the rings on the target. He looked at me and said "NO", as if It was a rediculous question. Not many matches later he became "Mortal" and began to slip back in the standings.
Of all the 6X scopes I have owned, the first Black Burris I owned is the only one I was ever able to see the rings on targets with. This leads me to believe the optic in 6X scopes haven't improved over the years. I have had a lot of scopes since and none have been as good as that one Burris.
In my view of this, shooting 6X isn't about being able to see anything other than a clear picture of the reticule and the black on the targets. I can't imangine anyone blind enough who is able to shoot who can't do that. I wear Tri-focals and I still see only what I have always seen , the picture I discribed above. That is as good as it ever has been or is ever gonna get.
It isn't a good thing switching back and fourth between scope powers in the same day and that is what folks in the Rimfire Games do. In my opinion, that is the biggest problem folks have. Some people can do it fine but it has not been a strong suit for me over the years and still isn't. Again, shooting 6X isn't about seeing anything, it's about making good guesses on where to divide up the pie.
younger people could see better through 6X scopes. Two Summers ago there was a 14 YO lad who began shooting 6X rifles with the group of guys I shoot with. He cleaned our clocks for a few matches and we older guys went around mumbling about young eyes.
Finally, one day I got to chatting with the lad and asked him if he could see the rings on the target. He looked at me and said "NO", as if It was a rediculous question. Not many matches later he became "Mortal" and began to slip back in the standings.
Of all the 6X scopes I have owned, the first Black Burris I owned is the only one I was ever able to see the rings on targets with. This leads me to believe the optic in 6X scopes haven't improved over the years. I have had a lot of scopes since and none have been as good as that one Burris.
In my view of this, shooting 6X isn't about being able to see anything other than a clear picture of the reticule and the black on the targets. I can't imangine anyone blind enough who is able to shoot who can't do that. I wear Tri-focals and I still see only what I have always seen , the picture I discribed above. That is as good as it ever has been or is ever gonna get.
It isn't a good thing switching back and fourth between scope powers in the same day and that is what folks in the Rimfire Games do. In my opinion, that is the biggest problem folks have. Some people can do it fine but it has not been a strong suit for me over the years and still isn't. Again, shooting 6X isn't about seeing anything, it's about making good guesses on where to divide up the pie.