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Mel Eck
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I use a big dot, It just fits inside the black with a little white showing .For hold off I just touch the black, that cuts down on Eye strain.
Scope Power Checker
- Thread starter Pete Roberson
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If you shot a card with a superior optic, Pete, you'd realize how wrong you are. So many of these scopes that appear fairly good give you just enough eye strain so that over a 30 minute card, by the time you come down the last row your eyes are really fading. A good optic, properly set up is a lifesaver. The problem is that few 50+ year old eyes can deal with marginal glass and truth be told most scopes in the $300 range are just that and most simply cannot get the subtle parralax out, you go back to what you thought was OK it's like looking through wax paper.
Bill Wynne
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The problem with being exact
Don and others in the 6X camp,
The weight of a rifle can be easily established with a set of scales but the exact power of a scope presents a greater problem and that is why we are having this discussion.
Establishing the exact power of a scope is a little bit subjective. By Wilbur's scientific method which is accurate there is room for small mistakes. What if the 40 mm objective lens is stopped down to say 38 mm or the image being focused on is not at infinity? These things would through the results off.
If a competitor honestly believes that his scope is 6X but through accurate checking it is proven to be 6.6X and so he is disqualified, what would be gained? I can understand someone who tries to shoot with a 16X scope being eliminated.
There is a huge difference between and honest competitor and a cheater.
Bill
Don and others in the 6X camp,
The weight of a rifle can be easily established with a set of scales but the exact power of a scope presents a greater problem and that is why we are having this discussion.
Establishing the exact power of a scope is a little bit subjective. By Wilbur's scientific method which is accurate there is room for small mistakes. What if the 40 mm objective lens is stopped down to say 38 mm or the image being focused on is not at infinity? These things would through the results off.
If a competitor honestly believes that his scope is 6X but through accurate checking it is proven to be 6.6X and so he is disqualified, what would be gained? I can understand someone who tries to shoot with a 16X scope being eliminated.
There is a huge difference between and honest competitor and a cheater.
Bill
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Don Stith
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Bill
I know the post started out there. However it quickly veered off into the " I could shoot a lot better score if I didn't have to meet the power limit rule" Shooting a good score while meeting the restrictions is what the game is about. There are such tremendous monetary rewards for shooting a winning score, you could never pay for the cost of boosting a scope. When I first got into this game, I had a friend that asked Premier to boost a 6 power scope. They refused to do it. Apparently there was a centerfire class that used 6 power scopes and they were aware of that.
I have lobbied for sporter class to be shot last instead of first. I believe that the 6 power puts enough strain on the eyes that it can carry over to affect how well you shoot in the other classes. This is more noticeable to me on the local one relay matches where there is no time for the eye to rebound.
I know the post started out there. However it quickly veered off into the " I could shoot a lot better score if I didn't have to meet the power limit rule" Shooting a good score while meeting the restrictions is what the game is about. There are such tremendous monetary rewards for shooting a winning score, you could never pay for the cost of boosting a scope. When I first got into this game, I had a friend that asked Premier to boost a 6 power scope. They refused to do it. Apparently there was a centerfire class that used 6 power scopes and they were aware of that.
I have lobbied for sporter class to be shot last instead of first. I believe that the 6 power puts enough strain on the eyes that it can carry over to affect how well you shoot in the other classes. This is more noticeable to me on the local one relay matches where there is no time for the eye to rebound.
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bob finger
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Don: Can I join your lobby? Good idea, shooting sporter last. I would step down off my soap box for this change. Of course we are assuming that our old eyes would recover during lunch before we start shooting the UL. Nothing is perfect, and as we all know changing the scope mag limit is an uphill battle, and distasteful to many. Perhaps shooting sporter after 10.5 and 13.5 would be more acceptable. What say guys/gals? bob
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IndianaJames
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Bob,
I tend to lean the other way. My biggest problem comes when we have a double match and go to the 6X after using the 36X for two targets.
Jim
I tend to lean the other way. My biggest problem comes when we have a double match and go to the 6X after using the 36X for two targets.
Jim
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bob finger
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Uh Oh! Jim thanks. I'll have to give it a test. I cannot remember shooting backwards ie big first then 6X. Just proves no matter what happens not everyone is going to be for it. bob
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bob finger
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Tim: Please leave the "kill sporter" lay. None of us want to kill sporter. I love it myself. Some of us think we can improve a good thing. You obviously don't agree and I respect that. But please, not kill it. bob
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The classic question comes to mind about "fixing something that ain't broke". Going back and reviewing the sporter, we have better ones than ever, better scores than ever, more 250's than ever, better competition than ever, high levels of participation. Sounds like somebody is doing something right.
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Don Stith
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Tim
Do you have any data to support this claim or is it just conjecture and fear mongering? I shot at Black Creek for many years That is where I developed my love for sporters. All matches started at 1 PM..
Perhaps the ranges in Virginia and North Carolina that shot double three gun matches last summer can weigh in.
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ErnieJ
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Below are my sporter scores from the double matches I shot this past season.In general the first target was shot between 9:00 am and 10:30 AM. The second target between
12:00 PM AND 2:00 PM.As you can see the scores are all over the place.There are so many variables I personally can't see any difference whether we shoot sporter first or last.
You'll have to draw your own conclusions
DATE First Second
5/8/10 244-9 237-8
5/15/10 248-14 249-14
5/22/10 248-13 247-16
6/12/10 243-16 249-11
7/3/10 246-16 247-12
7/24/10 245-12 245-8
7/31/10 244-11 244-10
8/1/10 246-6 248-13
9/11/10 246-13 246-12
9/18/10 244-12 246-11
10/2/10 249-14 245-5
10/16/10 250-16 247-11
10/27/10 247-12 244-11
12:00 PM AND 2:00 PM.As you can see the scores are all over the place.There are so many variables I personally can't see any difference whether we shoot sporter first or last.
You'll have to draw your own conclusions
DATE First Second
5/8/10 244-9 237-8
5/15/10 248-14 249-14
5/22/10 248-13 247-16
6/12/10 243-16 249-11
7/3/10 246-16 247-12
7/24/10 245-12 245-8
7/31/10 244-11 244-10
8/1/10 246-6 248-13
9/11/10 246-13 246-12
9/18/10 244-12 246-11
10/2/10 249-14 245-5
10/16/10 250-16 247-11
10/27/10 247-12 244-11
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Ernie yes...with oak leaf clusters, you probably apprentice old fart....... unless we're measuring from the forehead up.
Support the conjecture that there's more wind, sun and mirage????? you really need data for this? Well go out side until one of two things happen....it gets dark or the birds come and cover you with leaves.
Not really. We shoot several of our matches at big open 30+ bench clubs and quite often it's anything but good. Shooting sporter first gives you a fighting chance, however.
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ErnieJ
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Bill, I think Tims feelings get hurt when a couple of old farts like Wallace and myself best him on the sporter scoreline.