Scope compairison
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Gary Morgan
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$600 scope
I believe Bruno's has the new 4.5 to 30 power Bushnell 6500 for $699. I hear good things about it.
I believe Bruno's has the new 4.5 to 30 power Bushnell 6500 for $699. I hear good things about it.
82boy
Patrick Kennedy
Sounds good but I need the scope to be 599.99 or under. 699.99 is out of my budjet
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mikesshop
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Buy The Weaver
The Weaver is the best scope on the market in your price range. They are a very good scope for the money.
Mike
Harrison Michigan
The Weaver is the best scope on the market in your price range. They are a very good scope for the money.
Mike
Harrison Michigan
t36
I got a T36 as my intro to BR scope for my 30BR. I am very pleased with the optics clarity. Is it a $1000 Leuppy Competition grade? No. But it is good enough and appears to have excellent tracking and is easy to focus and lock the focus. Very pleased with the valued. Bruno's had the best price when I got mine a couple of months ago. Several listed in the classifieds. Not sure how the warranty works as if it is transferable or original owner only. I have looked through a couple of Sightrons. They appeared to be very clear.
Luck in your choice, tiny
I got a T36 as my intro to BR scope for my 30BR. I am very pleased with the optics clarity. Is it a $1000 Leuppy Competition grade? No. But it is good enough and appears to have excellent tracking and is easy to focus and lock the focus. Very pleased with the valued. Bruno's had the best price when I got mine a couple of months ago. Several listed in the classifieds. Not sure how the warranty works as if it is transferable or original owner only. I have looked through a couple of Sightrons. They appeared to be very clear.
Luck in your choice, tiny
pbike
New member
Weaver is original owner only, however they will work on them for a fee if you are not the original owner. That fee as I recall when I called them last summer was anywhere from shipping to 1/2 the list price of the scope. I had one go Bad, and I am not the original owner when I called weaver I was told it could range from just the shipping to 1/2 the list price for replacement. List price is more than we pay for the scopes, so half of more is more than 1/2 of replacing it yourself...
How many times are you willing to do this before you chuck out the extra money for a very fine Leupold, and never worry about replacement or repair costs, even if you're the tenth owner? We have many Leupolds and have on occasion sent some of them back. On each occasion it was a no BS waranty and quick turn around.
Dad and I just got done running the IBS BR school in Tawas MI, over the corse of the last six months, we asked mannnnny companies for products for our prize table... The only scope manufacturer that responded was Allan Tucker at Leupold with a Competition Series BR Scope. Thats a $1000.00 scope. In the same note, It was next to impossible to get Primers, Powder, and Brass... Many of those companies make far more yearly then Leupold, so that should show some real worth to the amount of Leupolds donation and dedication to BR.
I shoot with Leupold Scopes.
Thank you Leupold
Paul
How many times are you willing to do this before you chuck out the extra money for a very fine Leupold, and never worry about replacement or repair costs, even if you're the tenth owner? We have many Leupolds and have on occasion sent some of them back. On each occasion it was a no BS waranty and quick turn around.
Dad and I just got done running the IBS BR school in Tawas MI, over the corse of the last six months, we asked mannnnny companies for products for our prize table... The only scope manufacturer that responded was Allan Tucker at Leupold with a Competition Series BR Scope. Thats a $1000.00 scope. In the same note, It was next to impossible to get Primers, Powder, and Brass... Many of those companies make far more yearly then Leupold, so that should show some real worth to the amount of Leupolds donation and dedication to BR.
I shoot with Leupold Scopes.
Thank you Leupold
Paul
As with so many companies, the ownership of Weaver & probably Sightron has changed over the years. I believe they are now owned by the same parent company; though that doesn't mean they are now "the same."
My belief is that the Weaver's today are not "the same" as the early ones, and certainly the repair facility has changed from a reportedly very good one to a reportedly average one -- average today meaning not too helpful.
Secondly, for benchrest, what is most critical is holding point of aim. And this, it seems from past discussions on this board, depends on the design of the mechanism that allows the erector tube to move. For all practical purposes, this design is the same for Weaver & Sightron, with the Sightron adding a subsystem that is suppose to improve things. But the basic design is the same, and generally inferior to Leupold. The Sightron patch doesn't seem to fix the inherent flaws with the original design.
If this scope is for benchrest group shooting, you might be better off to simply have the your existing scope frozen & buy a mounting system. I am less sure if the new mounts have reached the point they can accommodate the needs of score shooting; someone here could answer if you repost with that as a title. They do not met the needs of long-range (600 & 1000 yard) benchrest.
They also don not meet the needs of general sporting use. But then, this is Benchrest Central -- centerfire.
FWIW
My belief is that the Weaver's today are not "the same" as the early ones, and certainly the repair facility has changed from a reportedly very good one to a reportedly average one -- average today meaning not too helpful.
Secondly, for benchrest, what is most critical is holding point of aim. And this, it seems from past discussions on this board, depends on the design of the mechanism that allows the erector tube to move. For all practical purposes, this design is the same for Weaver & Sightron, with the Sightron adding a subsystem that is suppose to improve things. But the basic design is the same, and generally inferior to Leupold. The Sightron patch doesn't seem to fix the inherent flaws with the original design.
If this scope is for benchrest group shooting, you might be better off to simply have the your existing scope frozen & buy a mounting system. I am less sure if the new mounts have reached the point they can accommodate the needs of score shooting; someone here could answer if you repost with that as a title. They do not met the needs of long-range (600 & 1000 yard) benchrest.
They also don not meet the needs of general sporting use. But then, this is Benchrest Central -- centerfire.
FWIW
steve stanley
Well-known member
Weaver was recently sold again(April-08 )to ATK the parent company of Federal ammo so the warranty status is apt to change. They also own the weaver bases and rings business so maybe they will be more customer friendly than Meade had gotten. steve
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P Kunda
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jackie schmidt
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Scopes
If you are interested in the ONLY thing that counts in a "target" scope. (it's ability to hold Point of Aim), then the only internal adjustable scope I would feel safe in recommending would be the March, which cost $2000+.
All of that other stuff, like tracking and optics, is worthless if the scope moves around.
You sound like you are new to this game, so my advice would be just go and buy a Weaver. There is not a hill of beans difference in the way any of the current crop of Japanese Scopes are built, one is really no better than another.
I agree that Weavers quality controle has slipped. Back when I was freezing scopes, I found several brand new Weavers with loose parts inside. But that is a quality controle problem, not a design problem......jackie
If you are interested in the ONLY thing that counts in a "target" scope. (it's ability to hold Point of Aim), then the only internal adjustable scope I would feel safe in recommending would be the March, which cost $2000+.
All of that other stuff, like tracking and optics, is worthless if the scope moves around.
You sound like you are new to this game, so my advice would be just go and buy a Weaver. There is not a hill of beans difference in the way any of the current crop of Japanese Scopes are built, one is really no better than another.
I agree that Weavers quality controle has slipped. Back when I was freezing scopes, I found several brand new Weavers with loose parts inside. But that is a quality controle problem, not a design problem......jackie
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j mckinnie
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How do the internals of a March differ from the other Jap scopes?
How do the internals of a March differ from the other Jap scopes?
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mikesshop
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Your Missing The Point
The shooter said he is working on a pretty specific budget. He is now getting advice to purchase scopes from a $450.00 Weaver to a $2000.00 March.
I own five Leupolds and every one of them is good. I also own two Weavers and they are also good. Not quite the Leupold, but in the price range your stated, the Weaver is a good choice.
By the way, one of the Weavers is two years old and the other one is two months old. No problems.
Mike
The shooter said he is working on a pretty specific budget. He is now getting advice to purchase scopes from a $450.00 Weaver to a $2000.00 March.
I own five Leupolds and every one of them is good. I also own two Weavers and they are also good. Not quite the Leupold, but in the price range your stated, the Weaver is a good choice.
By the way, one of the Weavers is two years old and the other one is two months old. No problems.
Mike
jackie schmidt
New member
Mike
To us who shoot Competitive Benchrest, the lessons of scopes, and their inability to stand up to the test of the Competitive Arena, are hard earned.
I stand by my statement that the only internal adjusable scope I feel safe in recommending is a March.
It makes no difference whether you spend $300, or $900+, if a scope will not hold POA 100 percent of the time, then it is a worthless piece of junk to a Competitive Shooter.
This is hard to explain to shooters who do not compete on a regular basis. Saying "I have "x-number" of scopes that have given me no trouble" means nothing.
My next question would be, "how do you know"???.
I am not trying to be rude. But many of us have spent the better part of the past 5 years comming up with viable solutions to a problem that has plagued Benchrest for decades. Now is not the time to go back to "business as usual" where shooters waste time, money, and aggs on scopes that are not up to the task........jackie
To us who shoot Competitive Benchrest, the lessons of scopes, and their inability to stand up to the test of the Competitive Arena, are hard earned.
I stand by my statement that the only internal adjusable scope I feel safe in recommending is a March.
It makes no difference whether you spend $300, or $900+, if a scope will not hold POA 100 percent of the time, then it is a worthless piece of junk to a Competitive Shooter.
This is hard to explain to shooters who do not compete on a regular basis. Saying "I have "x-number" of scopes that have given me no trouble" means nothing.
My next question would be, "how do you know"???.
I am not trying to be rude. But many of us have spent the better part of the past 5 years comming up with viable solutions to a problem that has plagued Benchrest for decades. Now is not the time to go back to "business as usual" where shooters waste time, money, and aggs on scopes that are not up to the task........jackie
jackie schmidt
New member
McKINNIE
I have never had a March apart.
But, I have another VERY expensive scope that about 15 shots after you adjust it, it will suddenly drop the POA about two bullet holes on the paper. It has done this twice now, and I guess I will send it back and see what can be done. It also had the same problem about 3 years ago, I sent it back then as well.
Since I have never had this brand apart either, I can only speculate as to the problem...........jackie
I have never had a March apart.
But, I have another VERY expensive scope that about 15 shots after you adjust it, it will suddenly drop the POA about two bullet holes on the paper. It has done this twice now, and I guess I will send it back and see what can be done. It also had the same problem about 3 years ago, I sent it back then as well.
Since I have never had this brand apart either, I can only speculate as to the problem...........jackie
With the high quality external mounts now available from Bob Brackney and Gene Bukys, it sure would be slick to see a company (Sightron, Weaver, Leupold) offer a fixed adjustment BR scope. They could use the same tube they currently do and just plug the w/e turret areas and address the back end gimble joint. Even if it sold for the same money as their current scopes do, it would be a winner for the shooters in the long run. Plus, warranty issues would be almost zero.
But in the world of production stuff, time is money.
But in the world of production stuff, time is money.
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eww1350
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82boy...
Why not use that $600 to buy a used Leupold..?
You will NOT be dissappointed...You will have a warranty...excellent clear optics, and it will hold its resale value better than a Weaver or Sightron...
There have been many 36x Leupolds with locking ring AO sold on this website for $550 or less...
Why not use that $600 to buy a used Leupold..?
You will NOT be dissappointed...You will have a warranty...excellent clear optics, and it will hold its resale value better than a Weaver or Sightron...
There have been many 36x Leupolds with locking ring AO sold on this website for $550 or less...
Pete Wass
Well-known member
I have
two frozen Leupolds and two frozen Burris HBR scopes. All four of them I believe can be relied on to hold POI. The Competition series Leup I most recently acquired is a gem. It has a Premier dot and is in Brackney mounts and is lovely. The other Leup is a 36-X in a Buckys mount. I have one of the Burris scopes in a Buckys mount. All three of them are ok. What would make them truly GREAT is a set of 1/8 moa turrets in their mounts.
I was looking at a set of Unertl mounts yesterday and it appeard to me that the rear mount could be copied easily and a front mount, like the one Brackney uses could be easily made to go with the rear. I guess I could live with 1/4 moa clicks if I had to but that is too coarse for my taste. I have wondered if perhaps the turrets that come out of the scopes we get frozen could be re-cycles into the mounts we purchase.
Why Leupold or Burris don't sieze the oportunity to do something here is amazing to me. I no longer count on any of the other companies because the ownership of them floats around all the time. Staff Bean Counters arbitrarly decide that the resources are better spent making something for industry and there goes our fixed power scopes; there are a few examples of that lately.
In my opinion, the best solution is a tube that is adjusted at the rear mount, period, end of story.
two frozen Leupolds and two frozen Burris HBR scopes. All four of them I believe can be relied on to hold POI. The Competition series Leup I most recently acquired is a gem. It has a Premier dot and is in Brackney mounts and is lovely. The other Leup is a 36-X in a Buckys mount. I have one of the Burris scopes in a Buckys mount. All three of them are ok. What would make them truly GREAT is a set of 1/8 moa turrets in their mounts.
I was looking at a set of Unertl mounts yesterday and it appeard to me that the rear mount could be copied easily and a front mount, like the one Brackney uses could be easily made to go with the rear. I guess I could live with 1/4 moa clicks if I had to but that is too coarse for my taste. I have wondered if perhaps the turrets that come out of the scopes we get frozen could be re-cycles into the mounts we purchase.
Why Leupold or Burris don't sieze the oportunity to do something here is amazing to me. I no longer count on any of the other companies because the ownership of them floats around all the time. Staff Bean Counters arbitrarly decide that the resources are better spent making something for industry and there goes our fixed power scopes; there are a few examples of that lately.
In my opinion, the best solution is a tube that is adjusted at the rear mount, period, end of story.
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J. Pendergraft
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What some may not realize is we benchrest shooters are a very small % of the scope market. Varmint shooters, hunters and informal recreational shooters significantly out number us. A few years ago the maker of the Bald Eagle front rest mentioned how he sold much more product to varmint shooters than benchrest and this was during the time when the Bald Eagle was one of the more popular rests in use for benchrest. Our numbers are just not great enough to warrant much R&D and new products that benefit only benchrest shooters.