Reloader 10X powder

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Bob Kingsbury

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Almost immediately after it was on the shelf, I read comments
here that it was very dirty. I shot some in a 223 and didn't find
that to be. Has anyone actually tried this in a PPC?
 
Bad Feelings

The stuff was fine at 90 degrees, but when it got cool, it left stuff in the barrel that looked like coal tar. Accuracy suffered.

They supposedly fixed it, but many of us had already bought as much as 40 pounds of the stuff,(as in me). The manufacture said, "tough sh-t", when we asked if we could exchange it for the "new and improved'.

Sort of left a bad taste in a lot of shooters mouths.

For all I know, it might now be the best thing since running water.......jackie
 
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Hey Jackie don't sugar coat it tell us how you really feel. I have tried it also but never got it to shoot a good agg. They can say anything they want in an add to sell things, they just have to make us believe it is gonna work better then the things we currently use.

Joe Hynes
 
ONE promising test...

...then nothing any good after that. I posted this back in '02 on this forum. Never followed up with subsequent reports because every time I tried it after that initial try, it shot about as well in my PPC barrels as a Revolutionary War flintlock! The lot # is wrong...not that it would matter now anyway...
 

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If we can ever get it to quit snowing around here so a guy can actually go out and shoot:eek:, I am going to try some in the 6ppc. I've been wanting to do it for awhile now and just never had a spare barrel good enough to give it a fair chance. But I've got one now and will give it a go.

I have been using it now for about 5 years in my .223 with 40 grain vmax and it is amazingly fast and very accurate. When running at top to middle pressures, it is as clean as Vihta V.

An interesting story with this powder: My cz 527 varmint kevlar 223 has always shot real well. 1/4"-3/8" groups were attainable with every powder I tried. N133 shot well, so did Benchmark, so did H322. When RL10x came out, I bought some to try. I ran it up to the published maximum with a 40 grain bullet and it was the only powder that ever shot 1" groups or bigger in my rifle (including factory garbage) and it was barely cracking 3600 fps. I was getting 3800 with Benchmark and N133. So I shelved it for a 9 months or so and then one day while tinkering with different primers and my Benchmark load, I loaded up some more RL10x but went above the published max (around 25 grains I think it was) to 27 grains in .3 increments. Well, to make a long story short, it started shooting great! Groups came down to .200" at 100 yards in some loads, the deviations were single digit (very hard to do with light bullets running extremely fast) and the speed was slightly faster than what I could get with N133 or Benchmark.

Pressures were still ok so I tinkered around a bit more.

All this time I was running fed 205's but I decided to try some WSR's and the RL10x. WOW! The WSR's jumped me up about 160 fps and group size got even better. I was now running 40 grain vmax at 4015 fps with a 223 in a 24" barrel!:eek: ANd getting good accuracy and deviations as well. Well, at this speed, the powder burns extra clean and is on par with H322 or Benchmark. I usually get one slightly gray patch and then one slightly blue patch and it's done.

I've since gone through about 4 different lots of RL10x and it has never needed a charge change more than about .3 of a grain. It has been WAY more consistent for me than any other Alliant powder including Rl15.

This all got me to thinking, maybe a stiff load of this stuff would really work for the 6ppc. Gonna try it and I'll report my findings.....if the snow ever melts.:mad:
 
In the 2008 season I shot about 3 5# jugs of 10x. In the cartridge I shoot it is much better than V133. It does leave a black film in the bore that is hard to get out, much like moly. I haven't been able to determine that it hurts accuracy. The case I'm shooting it in is a modified PPC with a short 40 degree shoulder. This case holds 3/4G less than a regular PPC.

Since V133 is so finicky and hard to get at times, I probably will never go back to it. Hopefully Lou's new elixir will give us an alternative, but in the meantime I'll stick with 10X.
 
Goodgrouper

We were shooting it pretty hot, in fact, that was the beauty of it. You couldhit mid 3400'swith no signs of pressure,and the accuracy seemed dead on.

But, one morning, I had my Rail Gun at the range, and it had cooled down quite a bit from the week ends before. I remember the accuracy looked good, for about four shots, By the time you finished a 10 shot group, you couldn't get two bullets to touch.

When I tried to clean it, the patch felt like it was running through JB weld that was just getting ready to set. It took god knows how many patches before that black goo finally started coming out.

It seemed everybody experienced the same thing, and the manufacturer admitted there was a problem and shortly afterward corrected it. But, as I said before, they told us that there would be no exchange.

Sort of strange, because most of the reloader series shoot extremely clean. Reloader 15 is my all time favorite for the 1-8 twist big bullet 6BR........JACKIE
 
Jerry,

You might ask Jeff Summers his experience with the original Reloader 10 when we shot the 3-yardage match in Georgia. I didn't think Jeff knew those words . . .
 
Reloader 10x

Funny this thread came up. Just yesterday I wondered if I should burn up that 50 yr. old RL 11 that I used to use in my .35 Whelen. Don't know what else I would use it for. Price tags are still on the cans. $3. 50.

Mr Sharett...what do ya think?
 
Rl. 10

Another thing,
The Rl 11 is double base. "Stanley" tells me one Mr. Jackson used nothing but RL. 11 back then. It doesn't meter as well as 8208 or 133 being a bit longer granuals.
 
I only ever bought one pound of RL10

And I still have a little bit of it left. I tried it in a 204 Ruger and 223. I did not get any groups that were any better than other powders in both calibers.

The thing I noticed an really did not like is hot dirty my barrel was and how much black flake came out of some of my fired cases.

It may work great now if they have changed the formula some but I think I will stick with other powders.

Hey Goodgrouper it's not to cold to come out and shoot in the snow! I have been out five times now in the last two weeks at Lee Kay and up at Wasatch Shooters. Today was only the second trip in the five that I had some tough conditions to shoot in.

Mike.
 
jmaisto said:
Funny this thread came up. Just yesterday I wondered if I should burn up that 50 yr. old RL 11 that I used to use in my .35 Whelen. Don't know what else I would use it for. Price tags are still on the cans. $3. 50.

Mr Sharett...what do ya think?
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Save that RL-11 I have about 2# of an old 5# cardboard container left. Best 22-250 powder there ever was. Ask Ben Amonnett at Alliant how many times I pestered him to bring it back just after they released RL-10x in 2002.

After I started using the 22BR with AA2520 I never did rebarrel a 250 back. When I can get 4200 with a 50g Vmax and 4500 with a 40g Vmax and 4720 with a 35 Vmax I never did want another 22-250. These are honest velocities over 2 Ohler 35's set back to back.

The only year I ever broke the egg at Hickory was with the 22BR and a 52g Amax running 4125 in a 12 twist Krieger.
 
We got some Re 10 X here in Sweden from Bofors (that makes the Reloader powder) when we hosted the benchrest world championships back in 2003. We tried it in several PPCs and found that it shot well with high V/0. The backside was short barrel life and a pain in the a.. to clean out of the barrel:mad:

I ruined a 6 PPC Maddco barrel with less than 800 shots in my LV. Looked like a barrel with 2000+ shots thru it after 7-800 rounds...... The guy at Bofors that contacted us and supplied the 10 X told us that it was a doublebase powder.

Since it´s hard to get RE powders here in Sweden I stick to 133 even if there´s a "new and improved" 10 X on the market:D
 
Stefan Karlsson said:
We got some Re 10 X here in Sweden from Bofors (that makes the Reloader powder) when we hosted the benchrest world championships back in 2003. We tried it in several PPCs and found that it shot well with high V/0. The backside was short barrel life and a pain in the a.. to clean out of the barrel:mad:

I ruined a 6 PPC Maddco barrel with less than 800 shots in my LV. Looked like a barrel with 2000+ shots thru it after 7-800 rounds...... The guy at Bofors that contacted us and supplied the 10 X told us that it was a doublebase powder.

... :D
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Yes,, Bofors makes RL10x, Alliant in the US just packages it in the Radford VA facility.

What I found out using RL-10x when I shot it in the 6PPC in 2002 is that you can load it up to 3550 fps easily and it does do a nasty on the barrel. But if you loaded it back to a "normal" 6PPC velocity of about 3350-3375, it did great. It just left a black coating in the barrel. This coating is from a decoppering additive that is added after manufacture. In the 10x lots for 2003 and later this decoppering agent has been reduced.

I could never tell an accuracy difference in a barrel with or without that coating.

Just after the 2002 episode everyone had with Alliant over the 10x, I switched to a short-neck 40 degree mod of the PPC and 10x was way too fast. When I starting shooting a long-neck 40 degree PPC in 2007, 10x came back to being a useful powder for me.

What I am shooting now is a few 5# jugs that Wideners had in old stock. It is the 2003 lot. I also got 3 jugs of 2007 lot and it seems fine too.
 
Stormbringer said:
Hey Goodgrouper it's not to cold to come out and shoot in the snow! I have been out five times now in the last two weeks at Lee Kay and up at Wasatch Shooters. Today was only the second trip in the five that I had some tough conditions to shoot in.

Mike.
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It's not the cold I'm worried about. It's the darn snow that keeps falling. Chronographs don't like it when they can't see.:eek:
 
Stefan Karlsson said:
We got some Re 10 X here in Sweden from Bofors (that makes the Reloader powder) when we hosted the benchrest world championships back in 2003. We tried it in several PPCs and found that it shot well with high V/0. The backside was short barrel life and a pain in the a.. to clean out of the barrel:mad:

I ruined a 6 PPC Maddco barrel with less than 800 shots in my LV. Looked like a barrel with 2000+ shots thru it after 7-800 rounds...... The guy at Bofors that contacted us and supplied the 10 X told us that it was a doublebase powder.

Since it´s hard to get RE powders here in Sweden I stick to 133 even if there´s a "new and improved" 10 X on the market:D
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That's interesting. Thanks for the feedback.
It seems this powder acts a little different in a 6ppc then it does in a .223. I have got probably 5000 rounds of RL10x thru my 223 and it still cleans easily and barrel life just keeps going and going. Perhaps it's just a super wonderful barrel!

BTW, all of Alliants rifle powders are double based.
 
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