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steve b. said:
"I am fairly new to this sport and have much to learn but if this psl league is after the best shooter why dont they just pass out the exact same ammo to all the shooters(just add the cost into the registration fee) and take the ammo factor out of the equation then it will fall down to the best gun and shooter.If they did that then it would stop the run on eley ammo which I believe is happening because folks believe they can get an advantage with the ammo to win a lot of money(I may be wrong). "

Mike,

After shooting this a while, you'll see why this won't work. Different barrels, different chambers. There is no universal lot or brand that shoots the best out of all rifles.

Get a year of BR shooting under your belt and more of this will make sense.
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granted it may not shoot "the best" but I just dont see where it would shoot adequate.Has anyone ever tried this?
 
"Adequate" is the key word there. Mike, in rimfire BR at the highest levels, nothing is adequate unless it shoots perfect scores. No matter how great the rifle and ammo combination is you always want it to be a little bit better. In actuality, we're taking rimfire rifles and asking them to do the impossible, and sometimes they come very close.

As my friend Jerry Graves said earlier, whoever is the luckiest will win indoors. By lucky, meaning whoever has the best matched ammo and rifle properly tuned for the days shooting. Best shooter hasn't much to do with it.
 
Gotcha, eley just needs to make more ammo huh?I mean seems to me from just lurking in here there are folks who get preferencial treatment in the aquisition of the slower velocities of eley tenex that it doesnt seem fair to me, now it is the ones who have enough money to just buy all the tenex when it comes out how does that leave the guys who are trying to get started?? That isnt a formula to build a sport seems to me.
 
It may not be the way to build a sport, but how do you tell an ammo company not to sell their ammo. Yes, there is an argument that they would benefit by getting more and more people into the sport and that is true if it works. Obviously, their business model does not indicate that as the best path for them.
 
Never said they shouldnt sell their ammo, they should produce enough to go around.I am a capitolist and am all for them selling to whoever they want, it would just be nice if they had adequate ammo for even the guys who are just starting out to test and find what their guns like, but the gold standard evidently applies(the guy with the gold rules). I just thought that making all shooters shoot the same ammo lot(practice and competition) would keep the politics to a minimum.And if you get right down to it if it is all luck as kent says then I still dont see how it would be any different.
 
I'll give an example. I am ramrodding a new summer evening br league for the local club. I wrote the "rules" and wanted to include that the club would provide the ammo each night (I had planned on the same lot of something each week and changing brands/types etc) to keep things on an "even" keel. You should have heard the howls from the troops. Now this is a very competitive bunch and its all for bragging rights and not much else. I have currently "proposed" that the shooter provide the ammo, with a maximum price limit allowed. This will work! The guys can test ammo and determine what works in their rifle rather than "luck of the draw". I set the $ maximum so Eley black box can be used. Anything less would keep some of the heavy hitters from showing up....they don't like low scores!

This same bunch of shooters thinks nothing of shooting Eley red box to win $5 at the monthly club shoots. Me, if I am competing I'll shoot nothing less than black box. If no one else is going to score my target then I'll shoot some cheaper stuff. No one from this bunch currently travels to the major shoots. I hope to change that too in near future.
 
"And if you get right down to it if it is all luck as kent says then I still dont see how it would be any different."

Lets get it clear the "Kent' did NOT say it was ALL luck!! I said INDOORS it came down to whoever got lucky and the got the best match ammo to their already great rifle. Of course I was assuming the rifle was top notch to begin with. Great ammo isn't going to make a bad rifle system win.


Here's what I wrote:
"As my friend Jerry Graves said earlier, whoever is the luckiest will win indoors. By lucky, meaning whoever has the best matched ammo and rifle properly tuned for the days shooting. Best shooter hasn't much to do with it."
 
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Mike,

From time to time we have new shooters offer up ideas about how to level the playing field, change the rules, develop a handicap, whatever. And every time, they are met with about the same response.

As I said before, shoot BR for a year and learn about it. See if you even enjoy yourself. You may or may not like it, but give it some time.

Not only will your experience level help guide you, but you will learn about the tiny details that are so very important to winning.

Further, ammunition manufacturing is extremely complex, far more than you know about. If what you want could be done, it would. You are not the first person to consider such things.

Finally, we are way off topic here.

Let's get back to getting the word out about the PSL. This is going to be a great series of matches, and I'm very curious how the first couple of shoots are going to go. Maybe in 2010 we can get one out on the west coast.
 
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Kent Owens said:
"And if you get right down to it if it is all luck as kent says then I still dont see how it would be any different."

Lets get it clear the "Kent' did NOT say it was ALL luck!! I said INDOORS it came down to whoever got lucky and the got the best match ammo to their already great rifle. Of course I was assuming the rifle was top notch to begin with. Great ammo isn't going to make a bad rifle system win.


Here's what I wrote:
"As my friend Jerry Graves said earlier, whoever is the luckiest will win indoors. By lucky, meaning whoever has the best matched ammo and rifle properly tuned for the days shooting. Best shooter hasn't much to do with it."
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Didnt mean to misquote you I was paraphrasing but I understood what you were saying.What I meant was I thought the whole purpose was to find out who was THE BEST SHOOTER, which by what you are saying is not usually the winner.Even though i am sure whoever wins will have much to brag about:D
 
MIKECAMERON said:
Never said they shouldnt sell their ammo, they should produce enough to go around.I am a capitolist and am all for them selling to whoever they want, it would just be nice if they had adequate ammo for even the guys who are just starting out to test and find what their guns like, but the gold standard evidently applies(the guy with the gold rules). I just thought that making all shooters shoot the same ammo lot(practice and competition) would keep the politics to a minimum.And if you get right down to it if it is all luck as kent says then I still dont see how it would be any different.
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I'm sure they produce it in sufficient quantities to meet their price point at a given volume, which is capitalism at its best. Could they produce more? Possibly, but they don't. There's some really good ammo still available for sale but it's not being sold. At least not yet. So what would be the motivation to produce more?
 
Where is current tenex for sale?My understanding is it was sold out on monday.
 
psl

dan...........r u out there?

what's the count on the psl @ rocky river?

thanks.....fred
 
MIKECAMERON said:
Where is current tenex for sale?My understanding is it was sold out on monday.
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No, according to an inventory that I got yesterday, there are some tenex lots remaining. But a lot of them have sold. However, Tenex is not the only good ammo.
 
MIKECAMERON;479007I mean seems to me from just lurking in here there are folks who get preferencial treatment in the aquisition of the slower velocities of eley tenex that it doesnt seem fair to me said:
With all due respect, why would one assume that only the slower ammo is the hot ticket and only Tenex. Dan put on his website all the ammo that he was getting in, along with Bob Collins on this site and Zanders on their website, just to mention a few. There is plenty of good lots in black box still available, but if one doesn't make the calls, guess what...

The lots I've tested are all good and it's faster then I would normally choose. Don't be set on the slower stuff always being the best along with it being only Tenex.

Joe
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Are you lurking or trying to buy ammo? If you are trying to buy ammo we are trying to help you. If you are not trying to buy ammo, its a moot point.
 
J Pappas said:
Are you lurking or trying to buy ammo? If you are trying to buy ammo we are trying to help you. If you are not trying to buy ammo, its a moot point.
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I havve put my order in with Bob Collins who e-mailed me that one of the lots I wanted was gone along with most of the rest of them.I will try the others as well but probably with the same result.Thanks for your help, sorry I couldnt answer you quick enough.
 
Joe Friedrich said:
With all due respect, why would one assume that only the slower ammo is the hot ticket and only Tenex. Dan put on his website all the ammo that he was getting in, along with Bob Collins on this site and Zanders on their website, just to mention a few. There is plenty of good lots in black box still available, but if one doesn't make the calls, guess what...

The lots I've tested are all good and it's faster then I would normally choose. Don't be set on the slower stuff always being the best along with it being only Tenex.

Joe
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I was just going by an earlier post by Bill Myers in my assumption about the slower velocities being bought up by just a few folks and being regarded as the best by some, I assumed he was an authority.Am I wrong to think this??
 
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