NY's New Gun Bill's Effect on BR Rimfire Shooters

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Bill B

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New York's newly passed gun laws will look to seriously impact the competitiveness of New York rimfire shooters if not take us out of the game entirely. The law regulates ammunition sales.

"For the first time, all ammunition must be purchased through a licensed dealer who is registered through the state. Before sale, the dealer must run a background check of the buyer through NICS. The dealer must also report the sale to a new state database. These provisions won't take effect for a year."

This looks to eliminate sales from out of state sources (KSS, Bert's Garage, Zanders etc) unless they somehow can become "registered through the state" and they would have to conduct background checks. The dealer must report the sale to the state because the state is looking for shooters buying large quantities of ammo (Uh hello!!). So it looks like if this law stands, NY shooters will have to buy our match ammo locally in small quantities. Goodbye, lot testing. Goodbye stocking up on a great lot of ammo. I guess we could go to another State to buy ammo or maybe I can buy ammo at a big match from say KSS and bring it back to NY. That may be a way around it. Either way, we will be at a disadvantage getting our hands on the good stuff. If that is the case, it becomes a matter of why bother.

Also banned by this Bill are all detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 7 (I have not heard of any exemptions for rimfires). So this will impact everyone owning a 10/22, most semi-auto handguns. (Don't load more than 7 rounds or you could be arrested, don't miscount.) Oh, and any semi-auto shotgun with a pistol grip is now an assault weapon that will need to be registered.

Read this article and weep for us in NY.

http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/what-new-york-state-s-new-gun-law-says-1.4477221
 
I don't know how much it applies directly to your post, but most centerfire tuners are threaded onto the barrel. Wouldn't that fall under the "one" military characteristic of the proposed nationwide assault weapon ban?
 
Bill B said:
New York's newly passed gun laws will look to seriously impact the competitiveness of New York rimfire shooters if not take us out of the game entirely. The law regulates ammunition sales.

"For the first time, all ammunition must be purchased through a licensed dealer who is registered through the state. Before sale, the dealer must run a background check of the buyer through NICS. The dealer must also report the sale to a new state database. These provisions won't take effect for a year."

This looks to eliminate sales from out of state sources (KSS, Bert's Garage, Zanders etc) unless they somehow can become "registered through the state" and they would have to conduct background checks. The dealer must report the sale to the state because the state is looking for shooters buying large quantities of ammo (Uh hello!!). So it looks like if this law stands, NY shooters will have to buy our match ammo locally in small quantities. Goodbye, lot testing. Goodbye stocking up on a great lot of ammo. I guess we could go to another State to buy ammo or maybe I can buy ammo at a big match from say KSS and bring it back to NY. That may be a way around it. Either way, we will be at a disadvantage getting our hands on the good stuff. If that is the case, it becomes a matter of why bother.

Also banned by this Bill are all detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 7 (I have not heard of any exemptions for rimfires). So this will impact everyone owning a 10/22, most semi-auto handguns. (Don't load more than 7 rounds or you could be arrested, don't miscount.) Oh, and any semi-auto shotgun with a pistol grip is now an assault weapon that will need to be registered.

Read this article and weep for us in NY.

http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/what-new-york-state-s-new-gun-law-says-1.4477221
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Sounds like a place I don't want to live :)
 
Pete Wass said:
Sounds like a place I don't want to live :)
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Don't be so smug, Pete. This could end up being a model for other states or the Feds. I see nothing to smile about. When you hear talk about a Federal ban on internet sale of ammo, do you think that won't effect all of us and the way we get our ammo? Who in Maine would be stocking large quantities of different lots of Eley? This could soon impact all of us.
 
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Scary

I think the scariest thing is how fast that Bill was passed. It could happen in a lot of places !!! I'm sure the politicians feal really smug, as if they have solved the problem. No smiles !!
 
Bill B said:
New York's newly passed gun laws will look to seriously impact the competitiveness of New York rimfire shooters if not take us out of the game entirely. The law regulates ammunition sales.

"For the first time, all ammunition must be purchased through a licensed dealer who is registered through the state. Before sale, the dealer must run a background check of the buyer through NICS. The dealer must also report the sale to a new state database. These provisions won't take effect for a year."

This looks to eliminate sales from out of state sources (KSS, Bert's Garage, Zanders etc) unless they somehow can become "registered through the state" and they would have to conduct background checks. The dealer must report the sale to the state because the state is looking for shooters buying large quantities of ammo (Uh hello!!). So it looks like if this law stands, NY shooters will have to buy our match ammo locally in small quantities. Goodbye, lot testing. Goodbye stocking up on a great lot of ammo. I guess we could go to another State to buy ammo or maybe I can buy ammo at a big match from say KSS and bring it back to NY. That may be a way around it. Either way, we will be at a disadvantage getting our hands on the good stuff. If that is the case, it becomes a matter of why bother.

Also banned by this Bill are all detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 7 (I have not heard of any exemptions for rimfires). So this will impact everyone owning a 10/22, most semi-auto handguns. (Don't load more than 7 rounds or you could be arrested, don't miscount.) Oh, and any semi-auto shotgun with a pistol grip is now an assault weapon that will need to be registered.

Read this article and weep for us in NY.

http://www.newsday.com/news/region-state/what-new-york-state-s-new-gun-law-says-1.4477221
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First the ammo regulations don't take effect until a year from April 15th!
Second there is no ban on semi auto shotguns with a pistol grips unless the grip is forward of the forarm.
The way the law was passed even the cops can't have more than 7 rounds in their pistols!
Lastly I'm sorry to see this posted way before we really know how it is all going to shake out!!
Hopefully someone will be backed by the NRA and clean Quomo's clock before he gets the backing of the Democratic party and runs for President!!!
Pete
 
Old saying

What is that old saying...

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

Does buying a 500 round box of 22's in another state to bring back to NY, make you an "outlaw" ?

Something is wrong here, when the government force you to become an outlaw.
 
I tried to tell people to start stocking up when the KING was re-elected, I got mine one week after the election. The place was mobbed! Our Sheriffs tell me the ten round ban will not effect them. Yes Pete it is becoming harder to live here every year, its something new. They love shoving it to all the people that work for a living!

Joe Salt
 
How will you NICS check ammo when its a federal thing. And its been published that it isn't their job to do ammo????
 
Hopefully you are right Lew and our idiot lawmakers did not check on the NICS's willingness to do our ammo background checks before passing this bill. That would not surprise me.
 
Bill B said:
Don't be so smug, Pete. This could end up being a model for other states or the Feds. I see nothing to smile about. When you hear talk about a Federal ban on internet sale of ammo, do you think that won't effect all of us and the way we get our ammo? Who in Maine would be stocking large quantities of different lots of Eley? This could soon impact all of us.
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You're right Bill, it is not funny. This is one of those situations where if I had said this to you in person it wouldn't have looked bad, at least. I certainy don't think more restrictions is an amusing situation. Maine is again falling under the control of the folks who think they know what is better for me than I know so Maine could very well become as bad as NY or even worse. Texa ixs always an option I guess.

A way around this might be to go to a large Stocking Dealer and Test there. Those who are "Serious" about winning would do this, I believe.
 
If compliance rates for this law are along the lines of the Canadian firearm registration law of 1995 (65% of gun owners registered only 50% of the long guns in Canada), which was subsequently repealed, they may have to build lots of "Atticas" for us. I've been reading about gun rallies over this new law and the slogan "Defy, don't Comply" has been reported. Kinda catchy isn't it?
 
The way the bill reads, NYS will set up a data base and register dealers for ammo sales. NY will run their own checks for ammo sales, dealers have to submit sales info to the surperintendent of state police and keep those records for a year. Care to guess how long the state will keep those records? This will also allow for reds flags to go up for all you high volume buyers. Who can possibly use 5,000 rounds of ammo at a time? Any sales have to be conducted face to face. Ammo shipped to NY will have to be shipped to a regiseterd ammo dealer, you have to pick up at the dealer and submit to the NYS backround check.

Semi auto firearms with a detachable magazine and one miltiary feature (pistol grip, bayonet stud, flash supressor, muzzle break, collapsible stock) must be registered or sold out of state within a year. Don't forget to get rid of your 20-30 mags as they are also illegal to own after a year from now. Ten round magazines are grandfathered in, it's just illegal to load over 7 rounds in them. That includes the 10-22.
Cops, as it stands, are not exempt from this law.

This is what happens when our polititions (some with presidentail aspirations) work under the cover of darkness in the midlle of the night. NY is broke, where is the money coming from to fund all these registries? I hope Texas is as big as they say, there may be an influx of imagrants from the opposite direction soon!

Ken Henderson
 
Texas

You are right Ken, all shooters move to Texas and then Texas succeeds from the F'ed up land. Can half the population of the US fit in Texas?
 
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