My centerfire friends.

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My centerfire friends, including my good friend Gene Beggs:

My last comment on centerfire tuner development was some days ago. It is up to you folks to make them work...or not.

But, I did pull two of my threads back to this front page, one final time.

My I suggest you "carefully" read "exactly" what I said in the opening to these two threads. Not what you think I said, but what I actually said.

In these openings I state what I've always stated about tuners....

One last and final time: A tuner of the "proper" weight for the configuration of the barrel, and, positioned "properly" will stop the muzzle. No further adjustments are necessary.

It is now up to you, my dear centerfire friends, to figure how to determine the "proper" weight, and, "proper" placement for your tuners, if you wish to stop your muzzles.

There's really no more for me to say.....I'd just be repeating myself.

Your friend, Bill Calfee
 
Hmmmm

Wasn't it just last week that you made a post saying that was absolutly the last time you would post anything about "stopping the muzzle". Enough had been said.
Nothing is "up to us". You are the one pushing this idea, I would say the ball is in your court.
I look forward to reading about your first effort in Registered Centerfire Competition with your stopped muzzle concept.........jackie
 
jackie schmidt said:
Wasn't it just last week that you made a post saying that was absolutly the last time you would post anything about "stopping the muzzle". Enough had been said.
Nothing is "up to us". You are the one pushing this idea, I would say the ball is in your court.
I look forward to reading about your first effort in Registered Centerfire Competition with your stopped muzzle concept.........jackie
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Was this really necessary. It was rude and inconsiderate.
 
There is some "history" here that maybe you are not aware of.

Yes Jackie's post was a bit blunt but as many guys here would support the sentiment as would disagree with him.

Bryce
 
benconrad said:
Was this really necessary. It was rude and inconsiderate.
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With only one post to your name you have chosen to make this your second post...:eek:

If you have followed the "tuner" posts since day one you would realize Jackie's post was not rude nor inconsiderate.
 
Bill C,
My friend, I don't know why you bother but my hat's off to you for trying to help. It's amusing to see the CF guys "reinventing the wheel " when it comes to tuners. Do they work on RF's--WELL YES--duhh. I snubbed my nose at 'em too 'til I put my first one on a rimfire some years back. Now, I won't even test a new rifle and barrel until it has the tuner installed.
I don't know what weight setups will work for CF's, but like you said the users will have to hash that out, just as the RF shooters do. I do not think it will be a one size fits all deal.
Best of luck to all who are working with 'em, and look forward to the findings.
 
Bill Calfee and Jackie Schmidt

Bill you are a man of great patience.Jackie has been touting his lightweight tuner for years now and Wilbur Harris a TRUE BENCHREST SHOOTER OF CREDIBILITY JUST POSTED HIS RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!! It didn't do squat.

I see they also added a bunch of 2.6 ounce washers without even reading your post on what too look for and it bombed as well.

I would let the guys who are doing it as you suggest have a year on the competition before you try and help them again.

A couple of them are ungrateful rude and downright nasty.

Jackie Schmidt

Rick Hendrick has a bunch of cars racing at Daytona this Sunday.Tell me how many of the engines are built by Dale Earnhart Jr? Jeff Gordon? Jimmie Johnson? Rick Hendrick?
You have a real chip on your shoulder when it comes to Bill Calfee and he has done nothig but offer great suggestions to the centerfire community.
It would be different if you tried his stopped muzzle tuner but you haven't even tried it.I'm with Wilbur Harris on the lightweight tuners and so is Bill Calfee.
Lynn
 
Lynn

The only real difference in what Bill Calfee does and what I do is I prove my ideas in matches, by winning aggs. I also start projects, test them, take them to a conclusion, and report my findings to this Forum. I know that doesn't mean much to Key Board Shooters, but in means everything to competitors who are interested in one thing, how ideas translate into the Competitive Arena.
Some of the things that I have spent hours of time on. The 6mmBR project I did with my Rail Gun for that web site. The introduction of the .269 neck, making neck turning a breeze. (this involved more than just re-adjusting the neck turner. Reamers had to be bought, dies modified, and barrels set back). I figured out a way to freeze scopes to where they were extremely light, and 100 percent frozen. I developed the 30PPC, which has proven to be a deadly item for 100 yard score, especially in a 10.5 lb Rifle.
That, and my Tuner. I start projects, prove, or disprove their worth in the only venue that counts, the firing line. I then tell the Forum everything I learn.
Bill has been promising us the whole world for the past three years, and as of yet, we don't even have a handfull of dirt. There is no doubt he is a grand guru in Rimfire Benchrest. But from his writings, and the ideas he proposes, I would say he is rather ignorant of the dynamics involved in Centerfire Benchrest, in particular the kind represented by this Forum.
Some winning aggs with his ideas in Registered Competition would go a long way in quieting many of his critics. Heck, if he would build the Rifle incorporating all of his ideas, and send it to me, I would shoot it.........jackie
 
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Jackie

Did you read what a true benchrest shooter and diretor just posted about the lightweight tuners? Is Wilbur Harris a keyboard shooter now because he said it didn't work?
Lynn
 
I disagree with Wilbur

It's that simple. My tuners seem to work just as they should.
I am sure not about to take them off because of what went on out in Odessa........jackie
 
Jackie

You posted you wanted a true benchrest shooter to try them out not a guy with a keyboard a theory or a longrange shooter.You got your answer from a credible source now your ignoring what you asked for?

I am shooting tuners on everything I own but I as well am not taking anything I read on these forums very serious except for one person.His name is Bill Calfee.
Lynn
Good luck
 
Lynn said:
You posted you wanted a true benchrest shooter to try them out not a guy with a keyboard a theory or a longrange shooter.You got your answer from a credible source now your ignoring what you asked for?

I am shooting tuners on everything I own but I as well am not taking anything I read on these forums very serious except for one person.His name is Bill Calfee.
Lynn
Good luck
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Is Calfee your uncle or something...or do you have some undeniable PROOF that only his tuners work?????
 
Lynn

From what I have read in Calfee's writings, I take very little of what he says serious when it come to 100-200 yard Centerfire Benchrest. Personally, I have little interest in other disciplines because that is not what I do. There is no doubt Calfee knows more about Rimfire than I would ever dream of knowing. But I am not over on that Forum making ridiculous statements based on nothing more than 'I think'. And you darned sure are not going to see me over on the 1000 yard forum setting all of those guys straight.
This Forum is where I write about what I know.
That stuff he spouts might go over big on Forums and sites where shooters have no way of ascertaining the truth of the ideas. But this is Benchrest.com. If you want to sell snake oil here, you had better be willing to drink from the bottle.........jackie
 
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Lynn, I'm not sure why you have this fixation with Calfee, maybe its not him but the heavy tuner? Just because you have no use for an adjustable tuner doesn't mean that they wont work in the short range world..
 
Wilbur Harris

This is a quote from from your other post.
Gun #1

"We then removed the tuner and the rifle fired three groups straight without vertical.The best group of all was with the tuner installed but THE BETTER CONSISTENCY WAS WITHOUT."

In longrange benchrest THE BETTER CONSISTENCY WINS MATCHES.
Lynn
 
Lynn said:
This is a quote from from your other post.
Gun #1

"We then removed the tuner and the rifle fired three groups straight without vertical.The best group of all was with the tuner installed but THE BETTER CONSISTENCY WAS WITHOUT."

In longrange benchrest THE BETTER CONSISTENCY WINS MATCHES.
Lynn
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You can't really believe that one day of testing in a tunnel is the definitive be all end all of tuner testing, do you?
 
Dennis Sorensen said:
With only one post to your name you have chosen to make this your second post...:eek:

If you have followed the "tuner" posts since day one you would realize Jackie's post was not rude nor inconsiderate.
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I been reading this site for 2 years. I followed all the tuner postings. There is some rudeness by people that is not called for. I think if Jack will re read what he said and explain why it was not a rude comment to a fellow shooter then Ill pull off my post. For some reason some shooters think they are the best. I didn't read their names in the big shoots, period, winning or not and I read PS and NBRSA news both.
 
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