Yep, not enough experience to understand yet. Nor does he understand his audience on this board or another he continues to 'display' himself on. Shame, as a lot of guys do enjoy helping new guys.
Scott
br stock for a win 52c ?
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Yep, not enough experience to understand yet. Nor does he understand his audience on this board or another he continues to 'display' himself on. Shame, as a lot of guys do enjoy helping new guys.
Scott
no
i expanded the information since you CLAIM(NO PROOF) you shoot ara.
ORIGINAL POST
5x5 bullseye target 20 min per target,
( 5x5 is 25 bulls for those that cannot do the math)
you claim you shoot ara but have never seen a 5x5( 25 bull ) target.
i call bs
i expanded the information since you CLAIM(NO PROOF) you shoot ara.
ORIGINAL POST
5x5 bullseye target 20 min per target,
( 5x5 is 25 bulls for those that cannot do the math)
you claim you shoot ara but have never seen a 5x5( 25 bull ) target.
i call bs
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mikeinco2014.......yes, your username on another board
Arguing with other shooters who have a lot better idea/experience of shooting sanctioned RFBR is not going to get you very far in this game as far as building relationships that can help you better your game. Your posts indicate your lack of knowledge, no matter your 'bravado'. I found when I started it was better to ask questions and not argue with the folks that had the answers. You seem to have a different approach. That's where I call 'BS'.
Best of luck to you and your attitude........Scott
Pete Wass
Well-known member
There is never any point
in complaining about rules. If one doesn't like them, don't participate. I've done my share of complaining in the past so I know from where I speak. If ya don't like the rules, don't play. The Rimfire Orgs except of the NRA are privately owned entities. The owner has the right to call the tune, it's really that simple.
Pete
in complaining about rules. If one doesn't like them, don't participate. I've done my share of complaining in the past so I know from where I speak. If ya don't like the rules, don't play. The Rimfire Orgs except of the NRA are privately owned entities. The owner has the right to call the tune, it's really that simple.
Pete
The ARA is not privately owned. Eley owns ARA.
Pete Wass
Well-known member
Interesting
I stand corrected. I didn't know Eley owned it. Wouldn't make a lot of difference. Likely, there are still no members or an organization for members to hold to task. Not a lot different than privately owned unless Eley has created a governing board and requirement for membership.
Pete
I stand corrected. I didn't know Eley owned it. Wouldn't make a lot of difference. Likely, there are still no members or an organization for members to hold to task. Not a lot different than privately owned unless Eley has created a governing board and requirement for membership.
Pete
JG26_Irish
New member
52c in ARA BR
I understand your frustration with ARA's restrictions of the current factory class. I shot a Remington in that class last year and it was banned for 2021. This year I am shooting a CZ and it is at least as good as my old Remington. But, I still would have preferred to shoot an American rifle. I tried to tune up an old Winchester 69A and a Stevens 416, both of which are still accepted in Factory but neither had the accuracy potential and both were clunky old rifles with several handicaps to overcome. In the end, the CZ won out for this season. We have only two options with ARA, either comply with the rules for Factory class or move up to Unlimited which has fewer restrictions.
Why worry with putting the old 52 into a BR stock? Just take it to the match and enjoy it. You may or may not win. Probably not but as you learn and improve then decide what next. I have toyed with shooting one of my 52's in ARA unlimited off of sand bags just for fun but time and ammo is limited this year and it is not going to happen much if any in the short term.
My local club hosts sanctioned ARA Factory and Unlimited matchs. I have shot one of my old 52's in some of the unlimited matches in the past. It was lucky to score high 1800-1900 scores but I am a better shooter today. Our same club shoots a weekly 50y BR fun shoot and while we mostly use an IBS tgt our rules are any factory 22lr repeater. That allows Annies, Sakos; VuDoos, and lots of Winchester 52's. A's, B's, C's. They often win. Sometimes others win. The best current ARA factory rifles struggle to keep up with that crowd. Sometimes a CZ or Tikka will score well but it is not easy. In that fun shoot we sometimes shoot the ARA Unlimited card with our stock Win 52's. It is rare for one to score higher than 2000. We are shooting off sand bags in that match and do not allow tuners. If you want to shoot your rifle in ARA, mount a tuner and test you ammo and if you want get a Pappas one piece rest. or just mount a bipod and shoot off a rear rest. The old 52's are great old elite rimfire rifles. I love em and own four and they all shoot as good as any stock rimfire I own.
But they are old school tech. The triggers are not great and cost a bit to fix. In a word, they are an obsolete rifle which was very well made but harder to make better without effort. They are not going to beat a well tuned Turbo, Hall, 40x or 2500x or other well built custom with a good match bbl and all the bells and whistles. It would be an uphill climb. I consider the VuDoo to be the modern equivalent of the 52 and if you were to build a new 52, it would cost as much as a VuDoo IMO.
If you want to shoot ARA, for the price of only the Pappas rest you can buy a CZ or Tikka and be competitive in factory class. Neither will outshoot my 52's. With good ammo and skill you can win. But you will have to beat me to do it.
I understand your frustration with ARA's restrictions of the current factory class. I shot a Remington in that class last year and it was banned for 2021. This year I am shooting a CZ and it is at least as good as my old Remington. But, I still would have preferred to shoot an American rifle. I tried to tune up an old Winchester 69A and a Stevens 416, both of which are still accepted in Factory but neither had the accuracy potential and both were clunky old rifles with several handicaps to overcome. In the end, the CZ won out for this season. We have only two options with ARA, either comply with the rules for Factory class or move up to Unlimited which has fewer restrictions.
Why worry with putting the old 52 into a BR stock? Just take it to the match and enjoy it. You may or may not win. Probably not but as you learn and improve then decide what next. I have toyed with shooting one of my 52's in ARA unlimited off of sand bags just for fun but time and ammo is limited this year and it is not going to happen much if any in the short term.
My local club hosts sanctioned ARA Factory and Unlimited matchs. I have shot one of my old 52's in some of the unlimited matches in the past. It was lucky to score high 1800-1900 scores but I am a better shooter today. Our same club shoots a weekly 50y BR fun shoot and while we mostly use an IBS tgt our rules are any factory 22lr repeater. That allows Annies, Sakos; VuDoos, and lots of Winchester 52's. A's, B's, C's. They often win. Sometimes others win. The best current ARA factory rifles struggle to keep up with that crowd. Sometimes a CZ or Tikka will score well but it is not easy. In that fun shoot we sometimes shoot the ARA Unlimited card with our stock Win 52's. It is rare for one to score higher than 2000. We are shooting off sand bags in that match and do not allow tuners. If you want to shoot your rifle in ARA, mount a tuner and test you ammo and if you want get a Pappas one piece rest. or just mount a bipod and shoot off a rear rest. The old 52's are great old elite rimfire rifles. I love em and own four and they all shoot as good as any stock rimfire I own.
But they are old school tech. The triggers are not great and cost a bit to fix. In a word, they are an obsolete rifle which was very well made but harder to make better without effort. They are not going to beat a well tuned Turbo, Hall, 40x or 2500x or other well built custom with a good match bbl and all the bells and whistles. It would be an uphill climb. I consider the VuDoo to be the modern equivalent of the 52 and if you were to build a new 52, it would cost as much as a VuDoo IMO.
If you want to shoot ARA, for the price of only the Pappas rest you can buy a CZ or Tikka and be competitive in factory class. Neither will outshoot my 52's. With good ammo and skill you can win. But you will have to beat me to do it.
thank you for your reply.
spending large volumes of money is not on my list.
i paid less than $500 for the 52c with a scope mount and a 36x br was in hand.
i was hoping to spend time shooting competitively, that aint gonna happen.
in a front rest and rear bag it still rolls to much, so i will add a 1/2 x 3 x 6 al alloy to the forearm, and stop there with money spent.
the option for a stock seems to have died as the maker has chosen to not call after our first conversation.
suppose i could fab a stock from a used stock i have.............
spending large volumes of money is not on my list.
i paid less than $500 for the 52c with a scope mount and a 36x br was in hand.
i was hoping to spend time shooting competitively, that aint gonna happen.
in a front rest and rear bag it still rolls to much, so i will add a 1/2 x 3 x 6 al alloy to the forearm, and stop there with money spent.
the option for a stock seems to have died as the maker has chosen to not call after our first conversation.
suppose i could fab a stock from a used stock i have.............
I understand your frustration with ARA's restrictions of the current factory class. I shot a Remington in that class last year and it was banned for 2021. This year I am shooting a CZ and it is at least as good as my old Remington. But, I still would have preferred to shoot an American rifle. I tried to tune up an old Winchester 69A and a Stevens 416, both of which are still accepted in Factory but neither had the accuracy potential and both were clunky old rifles with several handicaps to overcome. In the end, the CZ won out for this season. We have only two options with ARA, either comply with the rules for Factory class or move up to Unlimited which has fewer restrictions.
Why worry with putting the old 52 into a BR stock? Just take it to the match and enjoy it. You may or may not win. Probably not but as you learn and improve then decide what next. I have toyed with shooting one of my 52's in ARA unlimited off of sand bags just for fun but time and ammo is limited this year and it is not going to happen much if any in the short term.
My local club hosts sanctioned ARA Factory and Unlimited matchs. I have shot one of my old 52's in some of the unlimited matches in the past. It was lucky to score high 1800-1900 scores but I am a better shooter today. Our same club shoots a weekly 50y BR fun shoot and while we mostly use an IBS tgt our rules are any factory 22lr repeater. That allows Annies, Sakos; VuDoos, and lots of Winchester 52's. A's, B's, C's. They often win. Sometimes others win. The best current ARA factory rifles struggle to keep up with that crowd. Sometimes a CZ or Tikka will score well but it is not easy. In that fun shoot we sometimes shoot the ARA Unlimited card with our stock Win 52's. It is rare for one to score higher than 2000. We are shooting off sand bags in that match and do not allow tuners. If you want to shoot your rifle in ARA, mount a tuner and test you ammo and if you want get a Pappas one piece rest. or just mount a bipod and shoot off a rear rest. The old 52's are great old elite rimfire rifles. I love em and own four and they all shoot as good as any stock rimfire I own.
But they are old school tech. The triggers are not great and cost a bit to fix. In a word, they are an obsolete rifle which was very well made but harder to make better without effort. They are not going to beat a well tuned Turbo, Hall, 40x or 2500x or other well built custom with a good match bbl and all the bells and whistles. It would be an uphill climb. I consider the VuDoo to be the modern equivalent of the 52 and if you were to build a new 52, it would cost as much as a VuDoo IMO.
If you want to shoot ARA, for the price of only the Pappas rest you can buy a CZ or Tikka and be competitive in factory class. Neither will outshoot my 52's. With good ammo and skill you can win. But you will have to beat me to do it.
Hicksville Kid
New member
I understand your frustration with ARA's restrictions of the current factory class. I shot a Remington in that class last year and it was banned for 2021. This year I am shooting a CZ and it is at least as good as my old Remington. But, I still would have preferred to shoot an American rifle. I tried to tune up an old Winchester 69A and a Stevens 416, both of which are still accepted in Factory but neither had the accuracy potential and both were clunky old rifles with several handicaps to overcome. In the end, the CZ won out for this season. We have only two options with ARA, either comply with the rules for Factory class or move up to Unlimited which has fewer restrictions.
Why worry with putting the old 52 into a BR stock? Just take it to the match and enjoy it. You may or may not win. Probably not but as you learn and improve then decide what next. I have toyed with shooting one of my 52's in ARA unlimited off of sand bags just for fun but time and ammo is limited this year and it is not going to happen much if any in the short term.
My local club hosts sanctioned ARA Factory and Unlimited matchs. I have shot one of my old 52's in some of the unlimited matches in the past. It was lucky to score high 1800-1900 scores but I am a better shooter today. Our same club shoots a weekly 50y BR fun shoot and while we mostly use an IBS tgt our rules are any factory 22lr repeater. That allows Annies, Sakos; VuDoos, and lots of Winchester 52's. A's, B's, C's. They often win. Sometimes others win. The best current ARA factory rifles struggle to keep up with that crowd. Sometimes a CZ or Tikka will score well but it is not easy. In that fun shoot we sometimes shoot the ARA Unlimited card with our stock Win 52's. It is rare for one to score higher than 2000. We are shooting off sand bags in that match and do not allow tuners. If you want to shoot your rifle in ARA, mount a tuner and test you ammo and if you want get a Pappas one piece rest. or just mount a bipod and shoot off a rear rest. The old 52's are great old elite rimfire rifles. I love em and own four and they all shoot as good as any stock rimfire I own.
But they are old school tech. The triggers are not great and cost a bit to fix. In a word, they are an obsolete rifle which was very well made but harder to make better without effort. They are not going to beat a well tuned Turbo, Hall, 40x or 2500x or other well built custom with a good match bbl and all the bells and whistles. It would be an uphill climb. I consider the VuDoo to be the modern equivalent of the 52 and if you were to build a new 52, it would cost as much as a VuDoo IMO.
If you want to shoot ARA, for the price of only the Pappas rest you can buy a CZ or Tikka and be competitive in factory class. Neither will outshoot my 52's. With good ammo and skill you can win. But you will have to beat me to do it.
No D’s? If so, why?
i doubt there is a "why" answer,
you will have to go to ara site and check the gun class rules
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you will have to go to ara site and check the gun class rules
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George Atkins
Active member
And besides that, it really would not be fair to the other shooters that don't have a 52 D or E. Just sayin.
Butch Lambert
Active member
Could I shoot my Mod37 in factory class?
Butch Lambert
Active member
So my factory stock mod 37 ain't a factory rifle.
ara is a commercial enterprise.
i doubt anyone voted on anything.
my last club had two 22rf classes
target and sporter...factory rifles only
6x on sporter/any power on target,
100 yd br score target shot at 50 yards
life was simpler
i doubt anyone voted on anything.
my last club had two 22rf classes
target and sporter...factory rifles only
6x on sporter/any power on target,
100 yd br score target shot at 50 yards
life was simpler
Here we go again!! NO ARA FACTORY CLASS RULES STATE YOUR RIFLE OR BUTCH'S IS NOT A STOCK RIFLE!! PERIOD!! They don't state they are not 'factory' either. They simply state those two, and many others, are not allowed by the rules. They are rules the sanctioning body has put in place to keep a level playing field for current entry level rifles. Read that last sentence again, key word being 'current'.
What the heck don't you understand about that? Why do you keep posting inaccurate information on a couple of boards? The rules are the rules. They DO NOT state what you post, they state what stock 'factory' rifles are excluded in an effort to get people on a limited budget interested in the game. You whine and piss and moan about your rifle not being able to keep up the customs in Unlimited. So your answer is to whine and piss and moan about not getting to use your rifle in a class that would do the same thing to the guys shooting CZ's, Savages, etc as the customs do to yours in Unlimited. Now that's real fair isn't it? Get over it sport!!
Go start your own sanctioning body that fits 'your' needs and has 'your' rules and then go through the administration process it takes in providing a national data base for people to track their progress......like ARA does a very good job of. Hundreds of guys are loving.....and shooting the Factory Class with rifles that qualify for the class. They are having fun competing while all you do is gripe and complain and spread fictitious information on forums.
Scott
Edit: I see the post you made when I was typing this one. ARA is a sanctioning body.....it's NOT a club and there for they don't vote on anything. I personally don't know any of the sanctioning bodies I shoot that do vote on rules, whether privately owned or owned by a corporation. Keep griping about this 'non-issue' you are having and I will keep pushing back, until you stop derogating the ARA and understand sanctioned shooting is often different than 'club' rule shooting. Perhaps you should go back to your 'simpler' life and shoot club rule matches.
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redrockranger
Member