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Old Timer
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I have both revolvers and pistols, however I still fight with myself on what sidearm to carry. High power 5 shot revolver or multiple shot pistol. Any input would be appreciated.
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Paul Fielder
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I like the 1911....
...with the Light weight frame in commander size for all around. The cocked & locked type is not for everyone but I'm biased and love this design that won WWII. You cannot go wrong with the .45acp.
I would not feel under gunned w/ a compact wheel gun either. The S&W 442 is a great pocket gun if you don't want to mess w/ a holster & .38+p is as light a round I use for my comfort zone.
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...with the Light weight frame in commander size for all around. The cocked & locked type is not for everyone but I'm biased and love this design that won WWII. You cannot go wrong with the .45acp.
I would not feel under gunned w/ a compact wheel gun either. The S&W 442 is a great pocket gun if you don't want to mess w/ a holster & .38+p is as light a round I use for my comfort zone.
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rudedog
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Al
Are you sure they got it right?
They have a video on You Tube about Glocks and firing them with a loose grip and they would jam.
But then again I'm prejudiced I like 45 Gold Cup Colts
Rudy Manuel
Are you sure they got it right?
They have a video on You Tube about Glocks and firing them with a loose grip and they would jam.
But then again I'm prejudiced I like 45 Gold Cup Colts
Rudy Manuel
Check out the 36
It's the one Glock that I will (and DO) own....... I will buy another one when they finally come out with a single stacker in the new GAP. It shoots anything, hard, loose, upside down and sideways. I guess if I couldn't get one I'd opt for a Kahr and live with the weight.
I own 1911's, Commanders, Springfield, my wife shoots a Kimber Racegun. IMO a 1911 is NON-concealable unless you're an eskimo.
Also for a carry gun it's got a hideous training curve and a bunch of goofy protrusions. IMO "cocked and locked" is silly and an external hammer is retarded. I don't want to pull the trigger to find the hammer blocked with lint or mud or whatever. I've had Sig's and Smith's and Lugers and Rugers......I tried the Titanium 44 but couldn't load it down to work. I've got a buddy who makes revolvers using cut down 45 Long Colt which makes for a concealable revolver "equivalent" to the 45ACP but whatahassle. And moon clips are not for me.
My carry-gun is a Glock 36 because that's all there is...........although recently everyone seems to be trying to make a clone. My wife's carry gun is a LadySmith, my second choice. Unfortunately it's only a .357 Mag, a popgun. I'd like to cut off the hammer spur because it's stupid but she won't let me And I'm worried about ignition anyway.
"Carry gun" is by definition a tool. For me that means EASY, FUNCTIONAL and LIGHT.......small is a bonus. It has to be ambidextrous and utterly intuitive with no "safety". Grab it and squeeze, anytime, anywhere either hand in any position.
The Glock is freakin' spooky. Load it, rack the slide and drop it in your pocket. Pull it out to shoot a rabbit and drop it back in your pocket.
scary!
awesome.
al
It's the one Glock that I will (and DO) own....... I will buy another one when they finally come out with a single stacker in the new GAP. It shoots anything, hard, loose, upside down and sideways. I guess if I couldn't get one I'd opt for a Kahr and live with the weight.
I own 1911's, Commanders, Springfield, my wife shoots a Kimber Racegun. IMO a 1911 is NON-concealable unless you're an eskimo.
Also for a carry gun it's got a hideous training curve and a bunch of goofy protrusions. IMO "cocked and locked" is silly and an external hammer is retarded. I don't want to pull the trigger to find the hammer blocked with lint or mud or whatever. I've had Sig's and Smith's and Lugers and Rugers......I tried the Titanium 44 but couldn't load it down to work. I've got a buddy who makes revolvers using cut down 45 Long Colt which makes for a concealable revolver "equivalent" to the 45ACP but whatahassle. And moon clips are not for me.
My carry-gun is a Glock 36 because that's all there is...........although recently everyone seems to be trying to make a clone. My wife's carry gun is a LadySmith, my second choice. Unfortunately it's only a .357 Mag, a popgun. I'd like to cut off the hammer spur because it's stupid but she won't let me
And I'm worried about ignition anyway."Carry gun" is by definition a tool. For me that means EASY, FUNCTIONAL and LIGHT.......small is a bonus. It has to be ambidextrous and utterly intuitive with no "safety". Grab it and squeeze, anytime, anywhere either hand in any position.
The Glock is freakin' spooky. Load it, rack the slide and drop it in your pocket. Pull it out to shoot a rabbit and drop it back in your pocket.
scary!
awesome.
al
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Winchester 69
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A semi-automatic pistol requires regular practice for its use to be considered reliable. A revolver is less user dependent.
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505Gibbs
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If you're in a dangerous situation and the semi-auto goes click - you're in a world of hurt!
IF it's critical - get a revolver!!
IF it's critical - get a revolver!!
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realm-aw
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CZ-75 fan
Check out a CZ-75, not just information, get one in your hand. Remember also that Jeff Cooper claimed it was a superior choice. I have 4 1911s including 2 high capacity and as many revolvers. My carry choice is the CZ based on reliability and the compromise between concealability and power (what I really want for a gunfight is a 12 ga!). Consider the fact that law enforcement and the military have overwhelmingly choosen autos. My carry gun in snake country is my trusty revolver, but for a gunfight situation go with all the ammo capacity you can carry.
Check out a CZ-75, not just information, get one in your hand. Remember also that Jeff Cooper claimed it was a superior choice. I have 4 1911s including 2 high capacity and as many revolvers. My carry choice is the CZ based on reliability and the compromise between concealability and power (what I really want for a gunfight is a 12 ga!). Consider the fact that law enforcement and the military have overwhelmingly choosen autos. My carry gun in snake country is my trusty revolver, but for a gunfight situation go with all the ammo capacity you can carry.
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Louis Boyd
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If you're in a dangerous situation and the semi-auto goes click - you're in a world of hurt!
IF it's critical - get a revolver!!
IF you try to pull the trigger on a revolver and the cylinder doens't turn the gun is just as useless and perhaps harder to clear than a jammed semi-auto. Either can fail. Either can be reliable. Using good ammo, keeping a firearm clean, regular inspection, and maintenance are require about equaly for revolvers or semi-autos. There are good models and there are junk models of both. Even the best firearm can become unusable with misuse, neglect, or bad ammo.
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Old Timer
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1911's
They sure are handsome handguns, but the safety on the back of the grip on a 1911 just screams gunfight problems to me. I think it is called a
(Lemon squeezer) ???
They sure are handsome handguns, but the safety on the back of the grip on a 1911 just screams gunfight problems to me. I think it is called a
(Lemon squeezer) ???
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Mr. D
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It depends how handgun comfortable you are? I have both revolvers and I pistols. I have a Sig Sauer P226 which is very reliable. I don't like cock and lock automatics for people that are not extremely comfortable with pistols as a safety issue. I prefer a double action pistol.
A very nice revolver for a woman that wants self defense, but doesn't shoot regularly is the S&W Chief's Special 3". It's a 5 shot were the locking lugs don't line up with the cylinder so it can be smaller. I load a 110/125 grain wide open soft point at enough pressure to wreck you day! If you can't stop somebody with the first 5 shots you should learn to run!
A very nice revolver for a woman that wants self defense, but doesn't shoot regularly is the S&W Chief's Special 3". It's a 5 shot were the locking lugs don't line up with the cylinder so it can be smaller. I load a 110/125 grain wide open soft point at enough pressure to wreck you day! If you can't stop somebody with the first 5 shots you should learn to run!
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realm-aw
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Think high capacity auto!
"If you can't stop somebody with the first 5 shots you should learn to run!"
I just finished a concealed carry class and here are a few lessons.
#1) Run if at all possible! Average legal cost is $80,000. Even if you are never charged with a crime there will be a civil wrongful death/injury lawsuit.
#2) You will most likely be faced with multiple attackers. Gangs hunt in packs. They will have plenty of ammo.
#3) You will likely be shot. Will you be able to reload and continue to defend yourself with only one hand?
#4) Survival instincts will take over in a life threatening situation. No precisely aimed shots, just seeing the threat and getting the gun pointed and the trigger pulled ASAP! The example was given of a motorcycle cop who was suddenely in a gunfight. His first round went into the gas tank of his bike and then progressed on up into the threat as fast as he could shoot.
I'm thinking 5 rounds is better than no rounds, but I'd rather have 15.
"If you can't stop somebody with the first 5 shots you should learn to run!"
I just finished a concealed carry class and here are a few lessons.
#1) Run if at all possible! Average legal cost is $80,000. Even if you are never charged with a crime there will be a civil wrongful death/injury lawsuit.
#2) You will most likely be faced with multiple attackers. Gangs hunt in packs. They will have plenty of ammo.
#3) You will likely be shot. Will you be able to reload and continue to defend yourself with only one hand?
#4) Survival instincts will take over in a life threatening situation. No precisely aimed shots, just seeing the threat and getting the gun pointed and the trigger pulled ASAP! The example was given of a motorcycle cop who was suddenely in a gunfight. His first round went into the gas tank of his bike and then progressed on up into the threat as fast as he could shoot.
I'm thinking 5 rounds is better than no rounds, but I'd rather have 15.
Ok Ok, here we go again
Now I'll be vilified for trying to bring on an "informed opinion" VS just any old opinion but ........This is BRC not some other parody forum......people come here for answers.
Thank you to all the folks who gave REASONS for their opinions. This is what makes some opinions more valid than others......Let the folks over at the "sniper" forums or the "urban gunfighting" forums talk about how "I bought one so it's gooder than yours"....... On THIS forum Jeff Coopers opinion is more meaningful than Bubba Gumps.
Well, it USETA' BE anyway
Mr D,
I'm not sure just what you're saying..... "You like double action pistols"? Or "The Sig is a double action pistol"?
How do you define "double action pistol"?
The 226 is not a "double action" it's a bastardized single action with a "cocking stroke" which you'll fire into your foot, the air, the ground or an innocent bystander in a firefight........and it's a 9mm Parabellum. HOW is this in any way preferable to any other popgun on the planet? Please support your choice with something other than "well, I like it"? Have you ever stress-fired it?? Have you EVER actually USED it?? Please explain with FACTS how a "double-single action" works for your advantage to HIT something in a firefight, or how a clumsy double-stacked handfull of teeny rounds is "better" than one or two well-placed manstoppers.......Please use Military or PD cites to make your argument. Use cites from someone who actually USES guns to KILL people........ Use STATISTICS not OPINIONS.
Now, about the Smith having "locking lugs that don't line up with the cylinder so it can be smaller"? Say WHAT??? Please explain for us uninformed. Just WHAT does this mean?? I'm trained as a gunsmith and an armorer so please don't hold back with the terminology......
And as for this last statement ... "I load a 110/125 grain wide open soft point at enough pressure to wreck you day! If you can't stop somebody with the first 5 shots you should learn to run!" ......
PLEASE people THINK before you try to stop someone who really means it using a 110-125gr reloaded bullet..........If you REALLY have to use a gun on someone please don't do it "to wreck their day", PLEASE reconsider using handloads and NEVER go into it with the intent of "learning to run".......
This whole post exemplifies what NOT TO CONSIDER for effectual use of deadly force. THIS IS NOT A VIDEO GAME people!! This is about KILLING another human being. Making them DEAD..... NOW!!!
PLEASE think about it as such.
realm-aw,
You sound like someone who wants to think. I've looked at, held and fired the CZ's...... They're fun to race with, compensated. Please take the time to do the same with THIS Glock, the 36. See what you think. It MIGHT change your worldview
((((((BTW I agree with you on the 12ga. As long as it's a pump action with a stock not some stupid pistol-gripped monstrosity with a name like "Hallway Sweeper" or "Door Breacher" or "Handle Of Death" or somesuch ..... STUPID!! A Rem870 Express simply exemplifies the genre NOW, regarding 12ga shottyguns........ please ask a GUNSMITH or a GUNFIGHTER about this before getting one of the commonly touted "defense shotguns" like the Mossberg Sod Off or the Windchester "Defender".........please ask someone who actually HAS A CLUE regarding the rotary bolt or the single-sided actuating bar or the efficacy of pistol-gripped guns.......... OR, take them out and USE THEM! Try to actually HIT something with the pistol-gripped abortion. SHOOT a clay bird or 2 or 50 out of the air. Can you HIT one??? Now, can your WIFE do it??? )))))
rant OFF
wheewwwww ..........
505 and Win 69,
........ again, this is BRC. Please support your assertions with FACTS. Show one cite which explains how a real pistol is more likely to go "click" than a revolver. They BOTH have their weak points but reliability-wise you'll have a hard time proving that ANY revolver is more reliable than a Glock. I'm absolutely NOT a Glock Fanboy, I'm a Tool User. They've been clumsy and poorly designed for self-defense in the past but they've established an enviable reputation for utter reliability and simplicity.
I restate my assertion, in the Model 36 they finally got it RIGHT IMO
At least checki'dout before dis'ing it. FIRE it, limp-wrist it, invert it and dunk it.........I'm a trained pistol-smith and I'll unconditionally recommend it over anything else which I've ever encountered FOR A TOOL DESIGNED CARRY AND TO KILL SOMEONE.......
This and only this responds to the OP.
Ohhhh, and I'll pre-respond right now to all of the Feel-Goody Liberal waaaahh -waaaahhh types who find it distasteful to talk about "Killing" .......... Go soak your collective heads..........
I'll refrain from political wrangling but I find it hard to stay out of a gun discussion....
al
Now I'll be vilified for trying to bring on an "informed opinion" VS just any old opinion but ........This is BRC not some other parody forum......people come here for answers.
Thank you to all the folks who gave REASONS for their opinions. This is what makes some opinions more valid than others......Let the folks over at the "sniper" forums or the "urban gunfighting" forums talk about how "I bought one so it's gooder than yours"....... On THIS forum Jeff Coopers opinion is more meaningful than Bubba Gumps.
Well, it USETA' BE anyway
Mr D,
I'm not sure just what you're saying..... "You like double action pistols"? Or "The Sig is a double action pistol"?
How do you define "double action pistol"?
The 226 is not a "double action" it's a bastardized single action with a "cocking stroke" which you'll fire into your foot, the air, the ground or an innocent bystander in a firefight........and it's a 9mm Parabellum. HOW is this in any way preferable to any other popgun on the planet? Please support your choice with something other than "well, I like it"? Have you ever stress-fired it?? Have you EVER actually USED it?? Please explain with FACTS how a "double-single action" works for your advantage to HIT something in a firefight, or how a clumsy double-stacked handfull of teeny rounds is "better" than one or two well-placed manstoppers.......Please use Military or PD cites to make your argument. Use cites from someone who actually USES guns to KILL people........ Use STATISTICS not OPINIONS.
Now, about the Smith having "locking lugs that don't line up with the cylinder so it can be smaller"? Say WHAT??? Please explain for us uninformed. Just WHAT does this mean?? I'm trained as a gunsmith and an armorer so please don't hold back with the terminology......
And as for this last statement ... "I load a 110/125 grain wide open soft point at enough pressure to wreck you day! If you can't stop somebody with the first 5 shots you should learn to run!"
...... PLEASE people THINK before you try to stop someone who really means it using a 110-125gr reloaded bullet..........If you REALLY have to use a gun on someone please don't do it "to wreck their day", PLEASE reconsider using handloads and NEVER go into it with the intent of "learning to run".......
This whole post exemplifies what NOT TO CONSIDER for effectual use of deadly force. THIS IS NOT A VIDEO GAME people!! This is about KILLING another human being. Making them DEAD..... NOW!!!
PLEASE think about it as such.
realm-aw,
You sound like someone who wants to think. I've looked at, held and fired the CZ's...... They're fun to race with, compensated. Please take the time to do the same with THIS Glock, the 36. See what you think. It MIGHT change your worldview
((((((BTW I agree with you on the 12ga
. As long as it's a pump action with a stock not some stupid pistol-gripped monstrosity with a name like "Hallway Sweeper" or "Door Breacher" or "Handle Of Death" or somesuch ..... STUPID!! A Rem870 Express simply exemplifies the genre NOW, regarding 12ga shottyguns........ please ask a GUNSMITH or a GUNFIGHTER about this before getting one of the commonly touted "defense shotguns" like the Mossberg Sod Off or the Windchester "Defender".........please ask someone who actually HAS A CLUE regarding the rotary bolt or the single-sided actuating bar or the efficacy of pistol-gripped guns.......... OR, take them out and USE THEM! Try to actually HIT something with the pistol-gripped abortion. SHOOT a clay bird or 2 or 50 out of the air. Can you HIT one??? Now, can your WIFE do it??? )))))rant OFF
wheewwwww ..........
505 and Win 69,
........ again, this is BRC. Please support your assertions with FACTS. Show one cite which explains how a real pistol is more likely to go "click" than a revolver. They BOTH have their weak points but reliability-wise you'll have a hard time proving that ANY revolver is more reliable than a Glock. I'm absolutely NOT a Glock Fanboy, I'm a Tool User. They've been clumsy and poorly designed for self-defense in the past but they've established an enviable reputation for utter reliability and simplicity.
I restate my assertion, in the Model 36 they finally got it RIGHT IMO
At least checki'dout before dis'ing it. FIRE it, limp-wrist it, invert it and dunk it.........I'm a trained pistol-smith and I'll unconditionally recommend it over anything else which I've ever encountered FOR A TOOL DESIGNED CARRY AND TO KILL SOMEONE.......
This and only this responds to the OP.
Ohhhh, and I'll pre-respond right now to all of the Feel-Goody Liberal waaaahh -waaaahhh types who find it distasteful to talk about "Killing" .......... Go soak your collective heads..........
I'll refrain from political wrangling but I find it hard to stay out of a gun discussion....
al
keithcandler
New member
Old timer......
People do not all handle guns the same, and not all guns are user friendly.You may answer your own question by completing a couple of simple tests.
You will need a place to shoot in order to do this test.
Put up a target 7 yards away from you.
With the gun in your coat pocket, holser, stuck in your belt, or where ever you intend to carry the gun, pull the gun, point at the target and fire each gun as quickly as you possibly can, just as if you were fighting off an attacker. If you are not intending to carry the pistol, just let it hang from your side while you hold it. Snap the pistol and fire it at the target in the fastest time that you can and still hit the target (WATCH THAT FRONT SIGHT)!
If you shoot two sets of targets with each gun, you will know which gun you prefer to defend yourself, and only you can answer your own question.
Many pistols are not worth two cents in a gun fight for various reasons, they are just racket makers.
I shoot IDPA from time to time and it is some of the best practical training that a person can go through that ever wants to train to defend themselves in a gunfight. Simple little procedures like the one above can demonstrate that some individuals handle one type of pistol much better than others. Your results will be an eye opener, no doubt.
People do not all handle guns the same, and not all guns are user friendly.You may answer your own question by completing a couple of simple tests.
You will need a place to shoot in order to do this test.
Put up a target 7 yards away from you.
With the gun in your coat pocket, holser, stuck in your belt, or where ever you intend to carry the gun, pull the gun, point at the target and fire each gun as quickly as you possibly can, just as if you were fighting off an attacker. If you are not intending to carry the pistol, just let it hang from your side while you hold it. Snap the pistol and fire it at the target in the fastest time that you can and still hit the target (WATCH THAT FRONT SIGHT)!
If you shoot two sets of targets with each gun, you will know which gun you prefer to defend yourself, and only you can answer your own question.
Many pistols are not worth two cents in a gun fight for various reasons, they are just racket makers.
I shoot IDPA from time to time and it is some of the best practical training that a person can go through that ever wants to train to defend themselves in a gunfight. Simple little procedures like the one above can demonstrate that some individuals handle one type of pistol much better than others. Your results will be an eye opener, no doubt.
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speedpro
Guest
revolvers are better than nothin and preferable for large dangerous game that might eat you.
My personal preference for the 2 legged anmials in my neck of the woods is a pistol, preferably a 1911 .45acp cocked and locked with nightsites, lot's and lot's of ammo and magazines and some 200gr., Speer Lawman H.P., I think they changed the name to "Gold Dots", with the velocity ran up so they open up to atleast 1" dia on simulated human tissue. Put's em down real good and they don't squirm as much as with lesser bullets. lol Just my logic, your mileage may very.
My personal preference for the 2 legged anmials in my neck of the woods is a pistol, preferably a 1911 .45acp cocked and locked with nightsites, lot's and lot's of ammo and magazines and some 200gr., Speer Lawman H.P., I think they changed the name to "Gold Dots", with the velocity ran up so they open up to atleast 1" dia on simulated human tissue. Put's em down real good and they don't squirm as much as with lesser bullets. lol Just my logic, your mileage may very.
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Old Timer
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Semi -autos
I have two children, both have friends that come over and play. The thing I like about a pistol is, they have a clip. They are easy to unload and reload, just in case a child was to get their hands on one, it will be unloaded.
Plus every pistol that I have ever shot, is more accurate than every revolver I have ever shot. I know hearing damage should not be an issue when you are defending your self, but pistols are not as loud as revolvers.
OT
I have two children, both have friends that come over and play. The thing I like about a pistol is, they have a clip. They are easy to unload and reload, just in case a child was to get their hands on one, it will be unloaded.
Plus every pistol that I have ever shot, is more accurate than every revolver I have ever shot. I know hearing damage should not be an issue when you are defending your self, but pistols are not as loud as revolvers.
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rudedog
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Al and D
Al I'll have to try one out at the range, I've got a Glock mod. 22 now, i sold my 9mm Glock.Thats one of the great things about indoor ranges around here you can rent handguns to try out.Have a lot of friends at work ,who I've started
shooting this way, to purchase, and find guns that fit them.Second is buy quality.I don't know about you Al,but their are some handguns that i don't shoot well with,or should I say I have to work real hard to be accurate with,It's much easier if you can find a point and shoot gun,especially if you are in a shoot out.
Mr. D I ruined a brand new 38 Chief's Special one day all it took was 25 rounds of +p+,had to have it rebuilt,hope your lucks not that bad shooting hot handloads.
Al I'll have to try one out at the range, I've got a Glock mod. 22 now, i sold my 9mm Glock.Thats one of the great things about indoor ranges around here you can rent handguns to try out.Have a lot of friends at work ,who I've started
shooting this way, to purchase, and find guns that fit them.Second is buy quality.I don't know about you Al,but their are some handguns that i don't shoot well with,or should I say I have to work real hard to be accurate with,It's much easier if you can find a point and shoot gun,especially if you are in a shoot out.
Mr. D I ruined a brand new 38 Chief's Special one day all it took was 25 rounds of +p+,had to have it rebuilt,hope your lucks not that bad shooting hot handloads.
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Mr. D
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Mr. D I ruined a brand new 38 Chief's Special one day all it took was 25 rounds of +p+,had to have it rebuilt,hope your lucks not that bad shooting hot handloads.
Well, a 38 Chief's Special is not meant to shoot high pressures. +p+ loads must be above 38 special pressures. I recommend the old Unique powder. It's dirty, but progressive and safer for warm loads at lower pressures. I loaded 110 gr. bullet with Unique that chronographed just over 1100 FPS and I've had no problem with it. After a bullet leaves the body the energy is wasted, so you don't need massive energy and penetration. I'd expect a couple of 110 to 125 gr. jacket hollow points in the center of the chest to do the trick. As to a good shooting revolver I don't think anything will do any better than a K frame S&W 38 or 357 if you have small to medium sized hands. That frame has done well in the Olympics. It shoots like a dream.
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Paul Fielder
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Al....
good post......I just can't find the love for the Glock. I have no doubt they make a good pistol but I need to like the looks of my guns and can't get past the ugly and the trigger pull?? I would think the glock and 1911 would be the same as far as conceal ability??
I have wheel guns and 3 Govt. model 1911's. They are the only auto's I have & I have one in each of three main sizes....an officers, commander and full .....all custom. The two .45's will even shoot rat shot as fast as you can pull the trigger not to mention any handload (for practice / target only) and all weights of defensive bullets. The full size is a .38 super. I agree, all defensive ammo should be factory.
I guess it's what you have trust and faith in....I have many buddies in LEO from local to fed and they are split 50-50 best I can tell from the sig design & the glock. I would not feel undergunned with either and I like the P220 but not enough over the 1911. I will tell you the serious shooters all carry 1911's when they come out to the ranch when off duty. None of them stock but will admit the 1911 is not for everyone & has issues, but I'm stuck and sold on them.
pf
good post......I just can't find the love for the Glock. I have no doubt they make a good pistol but I need to like the looks of my guns and can't get past the ugly and the trigger pull?? I would think the glock and 1911 would be the same as far as conceal ability??
I have wheel guns and 3 Govt. model 1911's. They are the only auto's I have & I have one in each of three main sizes....an officers, commander and full .....all custom. The two .45's will even shoot rat shot as fast as you can pull the trigger not to mention any handload (for practice / target only) and all weights of defensive bullets. The full size is a .38 super. I agree, all defensive ammo should be factory.
I guess it's what you have trust and faith in....I have many buddies in LEO from local to fed and they are split 50-50 best I can tell from the sig design & the glock. I would not feel undergunned with either and I like the P220 but not enough over the 1911. I will tell you the serious shooters all carry 1911's when they come out to the ranch when off duty. None of them stock but will admit the 1911 is not for everyone & has issues, but I'm stuck and sold on them.
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Mr. D
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I love my 9mm Sig Sauer 226! No downside that I have found. Accurate, reliable and double action which I think is safer for a defense gun. Cock and lock worries me, and having to run one into the chamber worries me. If you need to take a gun on a trip an automatic is quicker to load. I keep it with a empty magazine on trips with cartridges in the back of my pickup. I have another loaded magazine out of sight in the cab. The gun is empty, but easy to load. That's the closest I can come to following the law and still protect a family!