World Individual Postal - 27th & 31st March 2013

Good luck to all those shooting their World Postal cards this weekend.

Some great scores coming in and not just in air rifle - looking good.

Hopefully I will have the results out on Tuesday.

Brian
 
Hi,

Please find below links to the results for the World Air Postal Competition which took part in March for both air rifle and rimfire.

Some fantastic shooting, with what I believe is a world record in the air rifle if not in the rimfire as well.

I would like to thank all that took part from Australia, France, Italy, Russia, Sweden, Ukraine, USA and the United Kingdom, many of whom braved some pretty tough conditions to compete.

The results will be placed on the IBPM website along with photos sent in for this competition.

Once again many thanks, hopefully next time it will be a little warmer!!!

Please let me know if you see any mistakes or I have missed anything. The results will become final 24:00GMT Tuesday 2nd April.

Air Rifle Scores: LINK

Rimfire Scores: LINK

Brian
 
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Colin,
Congrats on your win! WOW 250 25X way to go.

Paul Bendix
 
Colin,
Congrats on your win! WOW 250 25X way to go.

Paul Bendix
 
Brian there seems a discrepancy in the scoring rules/ procedure relating to the scoring gauge which could disadvantage some shooters and advantage others depending upon how they read the rules pertaining to the scoring gauge.

The rules indicate that a .22 inch scoring gauge, as obtainable from NSRA, should be used on all close calls. But in the scoring rules below this is defined as a 0.224 inch gauge, see below paragraph 1.

http://www.benchpostal.com/wpimages/wp210bcb7d_05_06.jpg

The NSRA rules, which are apparently being followed in respect of the scoring gauge, indicate the smallbore gauge to be smaller than 0.224 inch at 0.22 +0.002 inch/ - 0.00 inch, which makes the gauge 0.22 to 0.222 inch.

THE NATIONAL SMALL-BORE
RIFLE ASSOCIATION
"Appendix B.
SMALL BORE RIFLE AND PISTOL 5.6 mm (.22 in)
Measuring edge diameter: 5.60 mm (+ 0.05/- 0.00 mm) (.22 in + 0.002 in - 0.00 in)".

My question is: In order to ensure all shooters use the same gauge; is it to be the .22 to .222 inch gauge of the NSRA; or is it to be a nominal .224 inch gauge as indicated on the scoring rules' target above, and as shown in the Benchrest International Postal Matches page over the logo of the UK Association of Rimfire and Air Rifle Benchrest Shooting? (There are 0.224 inch gauges used in some centrefire matches).

If there are different gauges being used in these competition then on these particular targets, at this high level of shooting, there may be a gain or loss of perhaps up to 10 or more points and numerous X's in the aggregates. ............ Best regards, Harry.
 
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250 with 25x i

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Harry Fuller said:
Brian there seems a discrepancy in the scoring rules/ procedure relating to the scoring gauge which could disadvantage some shooters and advantage others depending upon how they read the rules pertaining to the scoring gauge.

The rules indicate that a .22 inch scoring gauge, as obtainable from NSRA, should be used on all close calls. But in the scoring rules below this is defined as a 0.224 inch gauge, see below paragraph 1.

http://www.benchpostal.com/wpimages/wp210bcb7d_05_06.jpg

The NSRA rules, which are apparently being followed in respect of the scoring gauge, indicate the smallbore gauge to be smaller than 0.224 inch at 0.22 +0.002 inch/ - 0.00 inch, which makes the gauge 0.22 to 0.222 inch.

THE NATIONAL SMALL-BORE
RIFLE ASSOCIATION
"Appendix B.
SMALL BORE RIFLE AND PISTOL 5.6 mm (.22 in)
Measuring edge diameter: 5.60 mm (+ 0.05/- 0.00 mm) (.22 in + 0.002 in - 0.00 in)".

My question is: In order to ensure all shooters use the same gauge; is it to be the .22 to .222 inch gauge of the NSRA; or is it to be a nominal .224 inch gauge as indicated on the scoring rules' target above, and as shown in the Benchrest International Postal Matches page over the logo of the UK Association of Rimfire and Air Rifle Benchrest Shooting? (There are 0.224 inch gauges used in some centrefire matches).

If there are different gauges being used in these competition then on these particular targets, at this high level of shooting, there may be a gain or loss of perhaps up to 10 or more points and numerous X's in the aggregates. ............ Best regards, Harry.
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Note got that 250 with 25x yet and if Dans doubling the price of the pellet head sizer I may never get it, and don't worry we all use NSRA gauges in the UK and thanks everyone for a great comp.
 
Harry Fuller said:
Brian there seems a discrepancy in the scoring rules/ procedure relating to the scoring gauge which could disadvantage some shooters and advantage others depending upon how they read the rules pertaining to the scoring gauge.

The rules indicate that a .22 inch scoring gauge, as obtainable from NSRA, should be used on all close calls. But in the scoring rules below this is defined as a 0.224 inch gauge, see below paragraph 1.

http://www.benchpostal.com/wpimages/wp210bcb7d_05_06.jpg

The NSRA rules, which are apparently being followed in respect of the scoring gauge, indicate the smallbore gauge to be smaller than 0.224 inch at 0.22 +0.002 inch/ - 0.00 inch, which makes the gauge 0.22 to 0.222 inch.

THE NATIONAL SMALL-BORE
RIFLE ASSOCIATION
"Appendix B.
SMALL BORE RIFLE AND PISTOL 5.6 mm (.22 in)
Measuring edge diameter: 5.60 mm (+ 0.05/- 0.00 mm) (.22 in + 0.002 in - 0.00 in)".

My question is: In order to ensure all shooters use the same gauge; is it to be the .22 to .222 inch gauge of the NSRA; or is it to be a nominal .224 inch gauge as indicated on the scoring rules' target above, and as shown in the Benchrest International Postal Matches page over the logo of the UK Association of Rimfire and Air Rifle Benchrest Shooting? (There are 0.224 inch gauges used in some centrefire matches).

If there are different gauges being used in these competition then on these particular targets, at this high level of shooting, there may be a gain or loss of perhaps up to 10 or more points and numerous X's in the aggregates. ............ Best regards, Harry.
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You raise a good point Harry.

The scoring diagram you show reference to was first drawn up by a member of the UKBR22 and is currently still shown in their rules. The same diagram is also shown in the rules of the ERABSF & WRABF.

So I guess nobody has spotted this inconsistency.

As far as the IBPM postal matches are concerned, we referred to the use of the NSRA gauge, which as you say is .22 to .222. That is the gauge which is used in the marking of all cards within the UK and hopefully the rest of the world.

I would very much doubt whether a .22 or a .224 gauge was used it would make a difference as large as you indicate, however I take your point and will have the scoring diagram corrected before our next postal match.

Postal competitions are what they are, I think you will find greater inconsistency between the many scorers involved rather the dimensions of the gauge itself. They provide a cheap alternative to S2S matches (for which there is no substitute) and a platform from which you can judge yourself against others.

I can tell you I have seen several of the cards shot in the recent postal, UK and the Ukraine for example and the scores entered are without fault.

As far as I'm aware you have personnel contact with Bill Coles of the WRABF, it may be worth taking your point up with him as well, as it would also effect the postal competitions they run, indeed the S2S events as well.

Regards

Brian
 
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ModelA said:
Colin,
Congrats on your win! WOW 250 25X way to go.

Paul Bendix
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Colin hasn't shot a 250 25x yet Paul. There is a bounty on it within the UK of which I have put up 50% of the reward.

He has had me sweating several times, but so far the cash remains in my wallet ;)

Brian
 
Thank you Brian.
There are a lot of gauges in circulation and the elimination of any inconsistency in rule books has to be for the best.
Yes, some time ago I made Bill aware of the possibility of the use of different gauges. I'm not sure if the matter of inconsistency there has been yet addressed. I know the one he uses is the smaller NSRA gauge.

I have no concerns about any particular country. My question related to the possibility that different gauges could be used because the stated rules are presently ambiguous and allow for such with obvious possible consequences. As I was not a part of the competition, I hope my query has been taken at face value and thank you for giving it your attention. ... Kind regards, Harry.
 
I agree Harry and "ambiguous" about covers it. I'll change our wording to clear any confusion.......... .22 to .222 being the important point.

As you can see I have attempted to also ensure the scoring ring sizes are known and uniform for all those entering the IBPM postal competitions. I believe these are correct, but if you find any errors please let me know.


Harry Fuller said:
As I was not a part of the competition, I hope my query has been taken at face value and thank you for giving it your attention. ... Kind regards, Harry.
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Kath and Gary from Oz seemed to enjoy the competition and have already stated they are up for the next one, hopefully you can join us.

Regards
Brian
 
Scoring plugs:

The best.224 scoring plug I am aware of currently is sold by the USRA 50/50 org. It's design centers the plug better than the others I have seen and used and the built in magnifier gives a great picture of what is below. An issue I have with scoring, in general, is the lack of a written protocol for the scoring device's use. There should be an absolute method of use for any scoring device and that method written in language that everyone, who can read, can understand. This method should be used without any alterations or extra devices to accompany it. Anyone who is visually unable to use the device without the aid of another sighting device should refrain from scoring targets. I my opinion, what one sees when looking straight through the magnifier on the plug should be what is scored and only that. A device that helps a lot with scoring is a lighted box a scoring template sits above. The light aids greatly in being able to make fast and accurate decisions.

Pete Wass
 
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I agree with most of what Pete is saying, especially the part about being able to under-light the target when scoring. I would take issue with requiring the use of a light box though instead of simply saying either that or a flashlight for 2 reasons: not all ranges (like Pinnacle Mountain) have power out at the range, and the cost.

As for the scoring plug: no doubt we need a common source for acquiring them and should require that all ranges have that particular one available at all sanctioned matches for the sake of uniformity from one range to the next no matter the country. But, I do have issue with Pete not wanting to allow for the use of additional magnification whether it be a store-bought magnifying glass, a sleeve type magnifier such as the ARA uses, or any other device as there are just some cases where the scorer needs a little more magnification to aid in their accuracy in their final decision. And, the older I get, the more I realize how much I do appreciate being able to take that closer look.

Dave
 
Light boxes and plugs

Two things that can be had at a resonable price.

First is the new plug from Bill Hinegardner used for scoring 50/50 targets.
There is no need for an extra magnifier of any kind it is that good!!!

Second with a little work a light box can be built with LED lites and a couple of
6 volt lantern batteries, no need for electricity.
We use this set up at Salem and have no problems!
My feeling on a flash light is that it creates to many shadows and can be read the wrong way?!
Pete
 
Dave Shattuck said:
As for the scoring plug: no doubt we need a common source for acquiring them and should require that all ranges have that particular one available at all sanctioned matches for the sake of uniformity from one range to the next no matter the country.
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Hi Dave,

Regards the scoring plug. In the UK (and most of Europe, as far as I know) we use the Gehmann 133 gauge shown at the bottom of this page: http://www.nsrashop.co.uk/acatalog/Scoring_Gauges.html

Champion’s Choice offer what appears to be the same gauge (13322M) here: http://www.champchoice.com/prod-_22cal_SCORING_GAUGE_WITH_MAGNIFIER-3358.aspx

Both of these are available world wide.

In an effort to achieve standardisation, would it be feasible to state that the 133 gauge be used solely, at least as far as the IBPM postal matches are concerned, or are other gauges being used?

Brian
 
Brian,

That sounds more the reasonable to me. At least by making the 133 the "standard" plug of the day we can all feel a bit more confident that our scores are being judged with the same level of consistency as the rest of the world. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself.

Dave
 
Dave Shattuck said:
Brian,

That sounds more the reasonable to me. At least by making the 133 the "standard" plug of the day we can all feel a bit more confident that our scores are being judged with the same level of consistency as the rest of the world. Of course, I'm only speaking for myself.

Dave
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I think so Dave. I'll put it another way - does anybody object to using the Gehmann 133 gauge for scoring the targets?

Whether an individual scorer wants to use a light box or some other aid is entirely up to them, the main thing is the gauge will be standardised.

I'll change the wording on the website at the weekend unless anybody wishes to raise some point or offer an alternative.

Brian
 
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