I think Jackie Schmitt would disagree with that statement.............Don
I think Jackie Schmitt would disagree with that statement.............Don
My guess is Wilbur already knows tuners work because he uses them on his rimfire rifles (or other peoples rifles that he sometimes shoots). I'd think he will want to learn from Gene how to use them on CF rifles and how to tune for best results and if it's possible for him to tune quickly with Gene's procedure.
MColeman
Club Coordinator
I wouldn't bet you that I could find my shop tomorrow morning. I tore the shop apart the other day looking for a bolt to a receiver. After about an hour I found it in the box he shipped it in. I had gotten the barreled action out but lef the bolt wrapped up still in the box. I was sweating bullets for a time.
Boyd Allen
Active member
The laying of hands on bad barrels
A couple of years ago Don Jackson had an accumulation of barrels that had been chambered and tested, and which had failed to shoot up to a competitive level. Don threaded the barrels at their muzzles and fitted simple tuners. All but one responded favorably, and looking back, he thought that the reason that it had not might have been bullet selection. As to the average increase of accuracy for the five barrels that the tuner worked on, I believe that .050 reduction in group size was the number. The barel that I put one Jackie's tuner on was middle of the pack and worn out. It won its last match against a typically challanging Visalia Field. I am firmly convinced that tuners are a great potential boon for those of us who can afford one barrel at a time, and need to extract full value from it.
A couple of years ago Don Jackson had an accumulation of barrels that had been chambered and tested, and which had failed to shoot up to a competitive level. Don threaded the barrels at their muzzles and fitted simple tuners. All but one responded favorably, and looking back, he thought that the reason that it had not might have been bullet selection. As to the average increase of accuracy for the five barrels that the tuner worked on, I believe that .050 reduction in group size was the number. The barel that I put one Jackie's tuner on was middle of the pack and worn out. It won its last match against a typically challanging Visalia Field. I am firmly convinced that tuners are a great potential boon for those of us who can afford one barrel at a time, and need to extract full value from it.
What was the runout?
I see a different bet..........who'll come away whole? Gene or Wilbur?
The Irresistible Force meets the Immovable Object....this I can say, Gene and Wilbur you'se guys are awesome. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that tunnel room.
It's a great time to be alive when folks like yourselves and the others on this board share of themselves so freely.
Thank you
al
I think Wilbur's funnier......
.......but Gene can probably fly better. He sure flew my head around the planet with his wind drift mindpix!
The Irresistible Force meets the Immovable Object....this I can say, Gene and Wilbur you'se guys are awesome. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that tunnel room.
It's a great time to be alive when folks like yourselves and the others on this board share of themselves so freely.
Thank you
al
I think Wilbur's funnier......
.......but Gene can probably fly better. He sure flew my head around the planet with his wind drift mindpix!
jackie schmidt
New member
Wilbur and 4-MESH
Everybody knows that I have tuners on all of my bag guns. They are on there for one reason. I believe they help me keep my Rifles agging over the entirety of a week end event. I always have the option of turning the tuner if I feel the Rifle is getting ragged.
Does it work. All I have to go on is the past three years in the Gulf Coast Region. I have won 13 Two Gun Titles, 11 grand Aggs, 14 yardages, and have been the Gulf Coast Region's Shooter of the Year three years in a row. Last year I shot six "teen" aggs during Region Competition, including 3 sub .250 Two Gun wins. I also accomplished one of my lifelong goals. I sat down and shot five straight "0nes" at Seymour during the HV 100 for a .183 agg. I also did ok outside the Region.
Now, that might not qualify in 4-MESHE'S standard of achievement, but I have had a pretty good run with my tuners. I don't pay much attention to all of the other threads that are loaded with theory and scientific proof. A lot of the conversation is among posters who have never sat down at the bench in Registered Competition, and don't have a clue as to what the real world of Benchrest is all about. I know what I use works. It is all in the aggs..........jackie
Everybody knows that I have tuners on all of my bag guns. They are on there for one reason. I believe they help me keep my Rifles agging over the entirety of a week end event. I always have the option of turning the tuner if I feel the Rifle is getting ragged.
Does it work. All I have to go on is the past three years in the Gulf Coast Region. I have won 13 Two Gun Titles, 11 grand Aggs, 14 yardages, and have been the Gulf Coast Region's Shooter of the Year three years in a row. Last year I shot six "teen" aggs during Region Competition, including 3 sub .250 Two Gun wins. I also accomplished one of my lifelong goals. I sat down and shot five straight "0nes" at Seymour during the HV 100 for a .183 agg. I also did ok outside the Region.
Now, that might not qualify in 4-MESHE'S standard of achievement, but I have had a pretty good run with my tuners. I don't pay much attention to all of the other threads that are loaded with theory and scientific proof. A lot of the conversation is among posters who have never sat down at the bench in Registered Competition, and don't have a clue as to what the real world of Benchrest is all about. I know what I use works. It is all in the aggs..........jackie
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4Mesh
Guest
Well Jackie,
You're the only one then that I've heard of who's had long term success at it. My guess tho is too that you're one who puts an aweful lot into shooting, thus, getting a lot out of it. Lets face it, those who work the hardest will generally do the most winning. I suspect that if the rules changed tomorrow and you could no longer have your tuner, you would be equally as competitive after as before.
If you are convinced that your tuner is helping matters, then that's about all that's needed. Even if it doesn't, but it makes you more confident at the line, it's probably going to show up on paper. I know when I've had guns that made me confident at the line, it seemed like they shot themselves (and I think pretty much they do).
I hope you're not making the statement about people who never shot a match and referring to me. I would be making a guess, but I'd guess that I have more experience at short range benchrest than you have at 1000. I've tried both games and because of the fact that the biggest range I have closest to me is a 1K range, I do that most. I don't think the two disciplines are all that different from a hardware standpoint, other than our guns are bigger.
Rimfire guys all have em. Centerfire guys are split but I'd say way less than a majority have em. Intermediate range guys don't seem to use em, and in long range they're near unheard of. Is it the distance that makes em work or get lost in the noise? About all I've ever seen em do is make a gun shoot bigger. That's just me.
Let's face it, each year, even if we do nothing different whatsoever, we will shoot better than the year before because the vendors we buy our stuff from make better stuff. It's just a fact of life. We'd better be improving or we're doing something wrong. Barrels get better, actions, bullets, primers, powders, scopes, everything. New materials are available to use, new manufacturing techniques, NICER MACHINES to work on, etc. There's a zillion reasons why we shoot better without even considering any or our own efforts adding to that improvement. Without having ever met you other than reading posts here on BRC, I would not accredit your wins to that tuner. I would say you win through time and effort invested. (and money I suppose, though I'm not a believer in money being a big crutch. I spend virtually nothing on shooting and I win.)
You are correct that my standards are lofty.
You're the only one then that I've heard of who's had long term success at it. My guess tho is too that you're one who puts an aweful lot into shooting, thus, getting a lot out of it. Lets face it, those who work the hardest will generally do the most winning. I suspect that if the rules changed tomorrow and you could no longer have your tuner, you would be equally as competitive after as before.
If you are convinced that your tuner is helping matters, then that's about all that's needed. Even if it doesn't, but it makes you more confident at the line, it's probably going to show up on paper. I know when I've had guns that made me confident at the line, it seemed like they shot themselves (and I think pretty much they do).
I hope you're not making the statement about people who never shot a match and referring to me. I would be making a guess, but I'd guess that I have more experience at short range benchrest than you have at 1000. I've tried both games and because of the fact that the biggest range I have closest to me is a 1K range, I do that most. I don't think the two disciplines are all that different from a hardware standpoint, other than our guns are bigger.
Rimfire guys all have em. Centerfire guys are split but I'd say way less than a majority have em. Intermediate range guys don't seem to use em, and in long range they're near unheard of. Is it the distance that makes em work or get lost in the noise? About all I've ever seen em do is make a gun shoot bigger. That's just me.
Let's face it, each year, even if we do nothing different whatsoever, we will shoot better than the year before because the vendors we buy our stuff from make better stuff. It's just a fact of life. We'd better be improving or we're doing something wrong. Barrels get better, actions, bullets, primers, powders, scopes, everything. New materials are available to use, new manufacturing techniques, NICER MACHINES to work on, etc. There's a zillion reasons why we shoot better without even considering any or our own efforts adding to that improvement. Without having ever met you other than reading posts here on BRC, I would not accredit your wins to that tuner. I would say you win through time and effort invested. (and money I suppose, though I'm not a believer in money being a big crutch. I spend virtually nothing on shooting and I win.)
You are correct that my standards are lofty.
Dick Wright
New member
Gene and Wilbur...
are good people, two of the very best in the sport. They will part friends and Wilbur will take a tuner home with him.
This will be my fourth season with tuners. They will take a good, tuned barrel and make it shoot just a little better. I have proved that again and again on my own range.
Alas, a tuner will not make me a better shot. It would take God to do that and it seems he's been busy on other things.
Gammon, you better watch your mouth. Our gunsmith made both my tuners and you know how he gets... I mean, he can make Canning look like the Good Humor Man.
are good people, two of the very best in the sport. They will part friends and Wilbur will take a tuner home with him.
This will be my fourth season with tuners. They will take a good, tuned barrel and make it shoot just a little better. I have proved that again and again on my own range.
Alas, a tuner will not make me a better shot. It would take God to do that and it seems he's been busy on other things.
Gammon, you better watch your mouth. Our gunsmith made both my tuners and you know how he gets... I mean, he can make Canning look like the Good Humor Man.
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j mckinnie
Guest
Mr Dick Wright
Does your smith use a tuner himself?
Does your smith use a tuner himself?
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ShelleyDavidson
Guest
I'm convinced
That a tuner won't make a bummer into a hummer. But, I'm also convinced that a tuner, by virtue of the extra muzzle weight will slightly improve the accuracy of any barrel and more importantly, a tuner allows for another option for keeping a good barrel shooting good throughout a full day of shooting as the conditions change. They ain't magic, just good solid physics.
Shelley
That a tuner won't make a bummer into a hummer. But, I'm also convinced that a tuner, by virtue of the extra muzzle weight will slightly improve the accuracy of any barrel and more importantly, a tuner allows for another option for keeping a good barrel shooting good throughout a full day of shooting as the conditions change. They ain't magic, just good solid physics.
Shelley
4MESH,
Jackie is one of the best shooters in the country. He shoots one load all year. When he tunes he just twists on the big brass thing on the end of his barrel. Jackie knows the difference between “feeling good” about his equipment and “what works”. Jackie’s tuner is the real deal not a feel good thing.
Bart Sauter
Jackie is one of the best shooters in the country. He shoots one load all year. When he tunes he just twists on the big brass thing on the end of his barrel. Jackie knows the difference between “feeling good” about his equipment and “what works”. Jackie’s tuner is the real deal not a feel good thing.
Bart Sauter
Dick Wright
New member
McKinnie...
No, Dwight doesn't use a tuner. He only shoots in a few big matches a year and does practically no experimenting. He does make things and gives them to me and Steve Robbins and Tony and others to play with. The only practicing I've ever seen him do is before a big match at the range.
He was inducted into the Benchrest Hall of Fame a couple of years ago so it works for him.
No, Dwight doesn't use a tuner. He only shoots in a few big matches a year and does practically no experimenting. He does make things and gives them to me and Steve Robbins and Tony and others to play with. The only practicing I've ever seen him do is before a big match at the range.
He was inducted into the Benchrest Hall of Fame a couple of years ago so it works for him.