Thoughts on Lazzeroni Cartridges

[NesikaPPC]

A friend was talking about getting a different round (ie something faster, etc, etc) for hunting. He asked about the Lazzeroni cartridges, of which I have knowledge.

Does anyone know much about them? Based on the speeds, it looks like it may be hard on the throat / barrel.

Any thoughts?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Its probably the most expensive way i know to wear out a barrel very fast

 

[NesikaPPC]

Thanks. That's kinda what I thought, just wasn't sure.

 

[Lee Martin]

Marginally flatter than the standard magnums and the animal won't know the difference. The downsides are expensive brass, way more powder, and shorter tube life.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

 

[jackie schmidt]

I would think that the readily available Factory Ultramag series pretty well makes chamberings such as The Lazzeroni expensive conversation pieces.

Barrel life is usually not a big concern for a hunting only Rifle. Anything that puts 100+ grns of powder behind a 30 caliber bullet is going to be hard on barrels, regardless of whose head stamp is on the cartridge.

 

[Doug Casner]

Lazzeroni

Ive got a buddy who has one I think in 7mm hunts whitetails with it. He flinchs so bad I don't see how he could hit a bull in the butt with it. Blow the fuzz of a dandelion at 50 yds. from muzzle blast. If you wat to shoot thru game longways its the rifle for you.

 

[John S]

It the book Weatherby by Grits & Tom Gresham, Mr Weatherby admits you still got to hit them in the right spot;-)=

You need to make the shot without even blinking.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Itll do everything an ultramag will do at twice or 3x the cost

 

[mwezell]

FWIW, there were also short action Lazzeroni cartridges...similar to the wsm family. The biggest advantage I can see is availability of good brass vs. the wsm and saum families, albeit not cheap.

 

[Lee Martin]

The other consideration is barrel length. While the UltraMags and Lazzeronis do fine at 26", they shine with 28" - 30". I have a .300 Kong at 29.5" and you'd be surprised how much it'll outpace a 26" .30-378 Weatherby (and the case volumes aren't that dissimilar). But who wants that much tube on a hunting rig.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

 

[lngrng]

Lazzoroni cartridges

Me thinks this was already discussed in the book "Cartridges of the World"..................the big winner in barrel burn-out cartridges was won by Skip Talbot with his .338-50BMG. I think the barrel life was about 35 rounds. Don't remember the powder charge, but it was a LOT!

 

[Lee Martin]

Dad and I almost made a full-length .338-50 BMG. I believe Skip shortened his a bit. We made the dies and reamers but never barreled one.

A picture of our .340 Deathray:



-Lee
www.singleactions.com

 

[ebb]

My friend had a Lazzaroni in the 30 caliber version and he liked it but the brass was not good at all. He is a long range guy and claims he will never chamber a rifle for a caliber you cant get or easily make Lapua brass for. I agree.

 

[Dave Tooley]

I think Skip and I know some other people used the 50 cal. spotter round to make a 338 on. John Siemen's had one in this area. I don't recall him ever putting on a second barrel. Powder charge to bullet weight ratio was out of whack. Back then our only choices were the 30-378 Wby case and the 416 Rigby to build on. Ah the good old days of surplus tear down powder, very few bullets and no options for brass.