The dreaded flier disease.....

Yes, I knew that...but

Steve...you look at the winning aggs at 100 yards and they are .21XX or .22xx...Then look at the 200 yard aggs (adjusted for MOA= divided by 2)..
and they are.23xx or .24xx....Now what that says to me are that the 200 yards groups averaged .46xx to .5xx...Now think about it...a shooter shoots a 1.400" group at 200 on his first target what kind of groups does he have to shoot on the four remaining targets to get an agg of .25xx at 200 yards..:eek:
Now I have a 6ppc HV and it has agged a flat .204 at 100 yards, but I have never been able to agg in the .2xxx at 200 yards ( adjusted for MOA)...with it
I guess the time of day is relevant to aggs at 200...Since we shoot our 100 yard aggs are shot in the morning and the 200 yard aggs in the afternoon on the same day..
We usually have groups from .5xxx to .9xxx at 200 yards...
I would think that a rifle/shooter that aggs in the .2xxx at 200 yards would easily agg in the .1xxx at 100 yards..
 
Well, the verdict is in. Despite what some guys might say, BAGS DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!! :eek: Especially when shooting free recoil. Last weekend, I shot in a match and for the first time ever, I never had a flier I couldn't account for by the flags or other errors. The difference, proper bag to stock fit. After my second to last match's horrible flyer problem and sighter/record POI shifts, I went looking for a new bag as I suspected that was the ultimate cause as I had eliminated every other possible culprit. I had Jack Snyder of Edgewood take a look at my setup and recommended a few things and was very polite about it. The week after that match, I ordered a left-hand offset Gator bag (after borrowing a standard gator bag and shooting the above groups) and it showed up last week. I stuffed it full (but not too full) of heavy sand and headed on my way to the match last weekend. Well, the bag/stock performed beautifully. It made all the difference in the world. I went from a .3579 2 gun agg to a .2460! Yeah, I still had a few fliers but only when I took my eyes off the dumb flags for a second.:mad: But it was still a good enough performance to win three of the four individual aggs, the 2 gun, the HV grand, 2nd in the LV grand, and a small group!!:)

It would appear then, and this is just an opinion, that the lighter and stiffer the stock, the more they need to be "de-vibrated". Is that a word?:confused: Anyway, the Edge stock hums like a tuning fork when not supported properly and I have formed the hypothesis that this condition causes fliers. And the POI shift from sighter to record is finally gone so that shoots down the advice I received that "just keep shooting and it will go away". It never went away until I changed my equipment. I wish I would have done it a lot earlier.;)
 
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That's good news!

It seems that your problem is fixed. Will you promise to come back and tell us if the flyers return?
 
That a rear bag can be to hard, is more a question of rules. I have
lots of rear bags including one made of steel, about 18 lbs. It is
lined with a thin layer of leather. It was made to sort out problems in
a windage front end and a farley. I can say for certain that my P.O.I.
was the same as my usual bag, and it did not change a thing. It did
however point out a problem with the front bag/windage top.
A flat bag packed hard is not the same animal that a conventional
front bag is. Its not that its to hard, but packed that way induces
new problems. I agree with Boyd Allen on that. IMO, Jackie is right
about rear bags
 
200 Yds

Before I "Left Home" I use to shoot @ 200 yds at my home. I use to wait until the wind eased in the evening to test. Often there would be nothing noticible in the way of wind. I used 5 flags there. I learned that if one of the flags simply moved in direction the bullet strike would go with it. The other thing mentioned earlier is what the Probes say. In my opinion, the Probes message is more important that what the flags say.

Of course one must pay attention to both but often the Probe will be moving in the oposite to the flag indication and the bullet will tell one the same. I never won much of anything before I started using either Probes or Windicators. Since I did, I have done a lot better. I don't win every time nor do I claim to be a great shooter but the indicators have done me a world of good. ;)
 
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Larry Bagget

Can sure tell you about a flier after the Raton match. He put four shots into .065" at 200 yards, but dropped the fifth shot straight down about .6". Sure would have been a screamer group at 100 yards, but this was 200 yards. I teased him by telling him that the moving backer showed 6 shots.

Michael
 
"I teased him by telling him that the moving backer showed 6 shots."

I've heard some funny stuff today from various sources but that is the funniest by far. You'd have to know Larry of course. I feel bad about the group. .065 at 200 is a heart stopper. I'd have a hard time sending the 5th one down.
 
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