t-36 and others newbe question

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tmoore59

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im the newbe and have looked good and hard at the t36. I can see why you guys recommed it nice scope for the price. havent counted it out

im not into matches yet i need alot more practice .308 100-500 range

you here guys slamming bsa,tasco, nCstar. but they never say why. its always my buddy had 1 and it was a piece of junk.

what is there problem? what are your personel exspeariances with them


if t36 is average 400.00 and ncstar is junk 100.00 is there a middle ground

say 250.00 that would get me in the newbe area 36x of your hobby or is the
t36 the break in ground

facts only please i have my own opinions.

tmoore59:confused:
 
tmoore59 said:
im the newbe and have looked good and hard at the t36. I can see why you guys recommed it nice scope for the price. havent counted it out

im not into matches yet i need alot more practice .308 100-500 range

you here guys slamming bsa,tasco, nCstar. but they never say why. its always my buddy had 1 and it was a piece of junk.

what is there problem? what are your personel exspeariances with them


if t36 is average 400.00 and ncstar is junk 100.00 is there a middle ground

say 250.00 that would get me in the newbe area 36x of your hobby or is the
t36 the break in ground

facts only please i have my own opinions.

tmoore59:confused:
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Well the fact is the $400.00 T36 Weaver pretty much is the middle ground. Sightrons are over $500 since they only sell the big Sky now, Leupolds are $900 and Night force is over $1200 and I have had them all. There are potential service problems with Weavers but the same can be said of any of the others.
 
so no varibles all fixed and the cheap scopes are a farst?

tmoore
 
tmoore59 said:
so no varibles all fixed and the cheap scopes are a farst?

tmoore
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You are on a benchrest forum, a T36 is the minimum scope I have on any of my BR rifles. Variables are not necessarily bad I am also a fan of the 12-42 Niteforce but thats a very substantilly higher price tag.

You asked for "facts only please i have my own opinions." well fact is my experience with cheaper scopes were all bad I have a 6.5 to 20 Leupold that is also a good scope but its too low a power for Benchrest.

You mention in one of your other posts you are shooting a 308 at 200yds if you are just doing some informal target shooting a lower power variable may be just what you need.
 
A problem you face is - -

RECOIL ! Considering all the scopes go south with folks who shoot a lowly 30 BR, your 308 is gonna hasten the Southward migration.

I shoot HBR(308 sized) rifles and have had good results , over time , with Burris scopes (6-X) BUT - - others have had problems with them. If you go to the archives here and read some of the threads posted by Jackie Schmidt on what he has observed on the innards of scopes he took apart to freeze you will begin to understand why there is no good answer for your question. IT AIN"T SIMPLE, if it was, any of us could simply answer your question.

In my opinion, only scopes that have fixed internals are reliable. The Frozen scope is a fairly new arena in benchrest. I predict it it will become more popular when and if someone makes adjustable mounts with repeatable adjusting mechanisms on them.
 
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How about a different twist on this subject? A good scope is........one that works. I'm not saying that you can expect a junk scope to work, or, if it seems to work, expect it to last very long. What I am saying is that the Weaver T-series scopes were designed to incorporate the best features of the scopes current at the time, while avoiding the pitfalls that plagued the design of the very popular, but troublesome scopes....They were not intended to be a "cheap" scope. I have a number of Weaver T36 scopes, and have had no problems with any except for one. The problem one was back in '99, and they ended up refunding my money (they didn't have the exact one to replace it with) after they could not repair it in several attempts. As for whether or not they will stand recoil, my oldest one (from the very first production run in '95) has been on my 30BR for the last two seasons, and is still working very well. I don't know if they will put up with a .308 for very long, but if you really want to shoot Benchrest, or just shoot as accurately as you can, you won't be staying with the .308 for long anyway.

I know that there are guys out there who are gluing the internals soild in a number of different scopes and doing well with them. I also know those same guys shot well before, too. I think the whole movement started when they had a real, honest-to-goodness scope failure or two, and decided it was time to do something to put an end to it. If I were having problems I believed were to be blamed on the scope, I'd do something about it too. But I have seen a few who were struggling, blamed the scope, and went the frozen scope route, or bought a "better" (higher priced) scope........and, you guessed it, they still struggled. The bottom line: If you fix it and it ain't broke, the problem will still be there.......and it will more likely be the barrel, bedding, some component, etc. and not the scope.

My opinion; yes it is......and it is based on experience gained and observations made during what is now quite a number of years shooting sanctioned matches. I'm going to have to move on to something with better glass one of these days because of my aging eyes, but I'm sure I'm going to miss the Weaver's sure adjustment system and solid reliability when I do.

-Dave-:)
 
greg said:
for the good Japanese scope makers!!
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And, hey....lets not forget the American made truck I use to haul those Japanese scopes to the shoots. I guess I'd seem more patriotic if I bought a top of the line, American-assembled March scope.....you know, the one assembled here of Japanese parts.....or is that just a rumor?

-Dave-:)
 
I'm not sure I buy...

Dave Short said:
And, hey....lets not forget the American made truck I use to haul those Japanese scopes to the shoots. I guess I'd seem more patriotic if I bought a top of the line, American-assembled March scope.....you know, the one assembled here of Japanese parts.....or is that just a rumor?

-Dave-:)
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the assembled here message, unless they give us a definition of "assembled". Maybe the lens caps, if they are included in the price?
 
I haven't shot BR in several years, just got back on the forum to post a barrel question for a friend and happen to read this post... I loved BR shooting, why did I quit can be answered in one word (make that 2) damn scopes... If you have a problem and send it back to be corrected more than likely it will have 2 problems when returned... I think the problem is being improved now by finally getting to main root of the problem... I sure hope y'all get'er done... And when you do, I think you will see some mighty fine records fall...
Have a good .1"...Tater...
 
Dave Short said:
And, hey....lets not forget the American made truck I use to haul those Japanese scopes to the shoots. I guess I'd seem more patriotic if I bought a top of the line, American-assembled March scope.....you know, the one assembled here of Japanese parts.....or is that just a rumor?

-Dave-:)
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Or you could haul them in a Japanese truck assembled in Kentucky. And are you sure your truck was American made ? of course Mexico and Canada are in America just not in the USA.

I think my American made Dodge Caravan was built in Windsor Ontario or maybe that was my GMC Jimmy

Actually my wifes toyota is our only vehicle I am pretty sure was made in the usa.

Dick
 
Dick

Many loyal NASCAR Fans are in an uproar over Tony Stewart and others switching over to Toyoto. On Speed report, they did an analysis of the four major manufacturers who are involved in NASCAR, (Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, and Toyoto), and the general consensus was that Toyoto was the most "American" of the four.
Strange World we live in..........jackie
 
Dick Grosbier said:
And are you sure your truck was American made ? of course Mexico and Canada are in America just not in the USA.
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Dick
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Dick,

My Ford came out of the Kansas City assembly plant. I'm sure the major components came from almost anywhere except there. I am, however, confident that a larger percentage of my truck is American made than my American motorcycle.

Now that the Leupold Competition series has been around for a while I'm considering looking through a few of them to see if I can see any better than I can through my trusty Weavers. One of my Weavers is remarkably clear, and the others are just okay. I'm just looking to possibly improve on what I've given up in vision over the past few years.....I guess I can get used to doing without the great adjustment system.

-Dave-:)
 
Tmoore,
The thing is, you can take a cheap rifle and do any number of things and make it shoot. You can't do a damn thing with cheap glass. Over time you will spend more $$ on cheap glass than you would if you just started out with something of low end quality. The Weaver T36 is about the low end of the quality scale. The best approach might be to watch the classifieds for a used one in the $300 range.

After you use it a while and maybe decide to move up the ladder, you can resell a Weaver for about as much as you paid for it. If you insist on starting with one of the bargain basement brands, you'll end up using if for a door stop because it will be difficult at best to sell if for anything and you will lose your entire investment. With a low end scope, the mechanics are inferior and the optics are worse. Buy a good scope and you only cry once.

Rick
 
t-more-59

Well, I have had every brand of popular Benchrest Scopes apart, (except a March), and you will just have to trust me when I say that mechanical wise, there is not a hill of beans difference in any of them. All three major Japanese brands, (Weaver, Sightron, and B&L), all share the same basic ball and gimble joint as the piviot point for the erector tube, and all share the same basic turret designs and leaf springs. They may all have different names for their "system", but in the end, they are all pretty much the same.
If you do not wish to spend the bucks for a March, or can't bear the thought of some mad individule stripping a scope apart and gluing the insides together and using external mounts, then just flip a coin.
If you had access to a number of Weavers, it would help to look through them. I have seen brand new ones that had glass that rivaled the latest offerrings from Leupold, and others that looked like you were staring through an aquarium.........jackie
 
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