Stopped Muzzle, Calfee

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Kathy

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My friends:

Have just finished testing the 5th barrel on SPEC-4, using the RvA solid muzzle device......

Nothing has changed....

A muzzle device, used properly, has the ability to "stop the muzzle"....

When the muzzle is stopped, no further adjustments of the device are EVER necessary.....

Sounds too simple, don't it?

Your friend, Bill Calfee
 
Bill,

Since this thread is primarily aimed at starting conversation with Lynn and others doing testing why not save yourselves the grief that these threads start and have the discussion in private by email or telephone ??

Seems you guys aren't posting about any new progress and talking about it on an open forum just starts the sort of issues that you say you don't like.

I personally don't care and I am not being a smart ar$e here. I am being sincere in my comment, if you want to save the problems that the big nasty old threads cause why not avoid another by having your discussion in private or on Bill's own site ?

Bryce
 
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Lynn,

my dad is 88, and he would be delighted to shoot with these people.

I thought Bryce had a brilliant suggestion.

sincerely,

Edwin D. Gill
 
Mr. Calfee,

I have followed most of the posts about tuner devices. Now that you have proven they can and do work for rimfire lets step it up to centerfire on a 6PPC. I have a spare rifle that is a proven shooter. I have about two of everything so anything you need to reload for a 6PPC I can probably send/provide. I am a not a machinist so I can’t make the device myself but I can provide you with a platform to test on. I know you are busy trying to turn out rifles (as I am with bullets), but I’m in no rush to get these things back if it will help in our pursuit of accuracy. I’m in Kentucky; I can just run them up to you if you are interested.

I don’t shoot rimfire but one of these days I would like to own one of your rifles.

Bart Sauter

Bart’s Custom Bullets
 
I thought Bill said that this thread had been closed?
While I dislike a lot of the ad-hominem stuff, and I may not think that Bill Calfee himself is on the direct fast track to tuner success. There are a lot of the testing and involved people that are getting there - and they are doing it with centerfire rifles - while using a lot of Bills main ideas. I think it has merit and a usable, understandable, methodology will emerge.
 
You are dead right Vibe, but every child step along the way doesn't need to be broacasted here if it can't be done without it descending into the mud slinging match that it inevitably becomes.

The information is good, the crap that goes with it lowers the whole tone of the forum.
 
BJS6, you are very right on that point. And this is why I have been keeping a very low profile. I'm just testing and see what works and what doesn't, (I've already scrapped a design or two in testing) and when I finish up my testing and I'm satisfied I've got a workable device then I will put my data forward for people to see. But until then I'll just keep plodding away at it. Will it be tomorrow, next week, next month. No clue.

but, till then I’ll just say more later... :)

Roger
 
It's a shame you can't post the ocassional update Roger but in the environment that seems to go with these posts I can fully understand why you don't and applaud you for that.

Take care and good luck with the testing. Looking forward to actually maybe one of these days ordering a tuner that I personally feel has a chance of creating that nice wide tune window that we all hope comes out of this.

Bryce
 
Roger and BJS6

Roger
It is nice to see you posting over here.

BJS6
Bryce maybe you can give us some of your tuner testing results? I follow each and every Calfee thread and you always post on everyone of them.How about some data?
Lynn
 
Bart

Several of us have made the same offer, that being, build a Rifle, furnish a Rifle, do machine work, what ever, so Bill could test his theories with a real, honest to goodness Benchrest Rifle, and we got no reply.
Good Luck. Perhaps someone with your reputation can pursuade Bill to assemble a proper test bed.........jackie
 
Bart or Jackie

Is it even remotely possible that Bill has already done the testing on a centerfire?

He may be saying what he is saying based on actual results and throwing it out here just to watch the show.
Lynn
 
See Lynn, that is precisely the nonsense that starts this crap and keeps it going.

Yes I look over the threads in places and post some stuff if I have a question or feel strongly but I am not sitting here arguing with anybody about anything like you persist in doing with a few certain posters.

You know full well that I am not testing a damn thing and you still have to go and make a smart ar$e comment like you just did. I don't have the money, time or equipment to do any testing but because I am not involved in actual testing doesn't mean I don't have an opinion about the nonsense that these bl..dy Calfee threads become. After I posted my last couple of comments it has become very obvious that I am not alone in thinking you guys are making a shambles out of this whole thing and a lot of the communication would be better off behind closed doors if it can't happen here in a civil adult tone.

I have said my bit, if you care to ignore me and the others saying the same sort of thing you go right ahead and continue making yourselves look like clowns.

Even Wilbur said " ..........but the resulting foray of matching wits is intolerable ........" This place is here because of Wilbur and he is saying that the nonsense that the Calfee threads degrade to is "intolerable", doesn't that suggest something to you ??

Bryce
 
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Bryce

I do have the money, and the facility, and the skills to build just about anything that involves Machine Work.
But it was quite a while back when many of us offered our services to Bill, you, and just about everyone else who has endured these "discussions", knows that sooner or later, you just throw your hands in the air and say to heck with it.
Many of us are using tuners in Competition with good success. We try to report on what is happening, but everything seems to get overshadowed by the drival that is posted, time and time again, on these threads. Just go back and read some of the asinine statements that have been made.
I am sure Wilbur shares my views on why unsubstantiated claims should always be questioned on this Forum. Shooters come onto this Forum to garner info from those who are willing to develop concepts, and prove them in the Competitive Arena. Shooters are willing to spend their hard earned money on what they read on this Forum. We owe it to these shooters to be ever diligent in making sure that the information they get on Benchrest.com is tested, and proven. Many of us still believe that the best test bed is still the rigors of Competition.
Free and open discussion should never be stifled. But if you wish to come on this site and pronounce that you have the "end all" in solutions to the Accuracy Equation, then you must be willing to show something besides, "I think".........jackie
 
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Lynn

Lynn,

I am just making the offer of a good rifle for testing. I have plenty of components and I’m not all that far away so it wouldn’t be a big problem to take him the equipment.

As for if it’s been done; my guess would be that Mr. Calfee would perfect it in rimfire before trying it on a centerfire. But don’t get me to telling stories maybe he has.

Bart
 
Some questions on this device to Mr. Calfee.

Mr. Calfee in your testing of this device on a rimfire you have stated that between 38 and 42 yrds. you have the muzzle completely stopped. How did you arrive at this distance? Why not tune at 50 yrds where most rimfire disciplines are shot?

Where then would be the starting point(distance) for the ones here that are testing this theory for centerfire? (the most important Question) If they have no clue then i believe they would get to the point of complete exhaustion.

With all due respect Mr. Calfee I hope you can shed some light on these questions because there will only be more confusion and frustration to those here that are willing to test this theory and to the ones reading this thread.

Testing takes time patience and understanding as you have stated. I'm hoping you will shed more light on this subject and again would help ease the frustrations I believe for those reading your threads waiting for more answers.

Bobby
 
Bjs6

Bryce before you go flying off the handle yet again re-read your own posts.You have asked Bill and Myself to post off forum.You have posted you aren't learning anything.You even had Tim thinking he wasn't giving you the right info.
You are also on every Bill Calfee post no matter the forum.
Now you one of the biggest critics who is concerned about the way he posts and who he posts too are yet again complaining and you don't own any tuner at all.
My point that you and several others don't seem to be getting is that there are indeed people spending money,time and barrels on this and we would like to hear what bill has to say.So far on this thread you have the most posts yet you don't even have a tuner.You are criticising my posts and I've got them coming out of my ears.I don't know how to get through to you so I will now quit trying.
Bryce what Wilbur was saying is---the people doing the testing are up against those that don't even own a tuner and there lack of knowledge is intolerable yet they fight on.Maybe I'm wrong?
Lynn
 
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Lynn,

Wilbur said the clash of wits was intolerable, that means all concerned, me at times also.

You don't get what I am saying here, I didn't TELL you and bill to take it off the board, I never said I hadn't commented at times. What I did say was that regardless of who says what and who you think is to blame if you and Bill don't like the nonsense that these threads become then don't talk about this stuff here. I don't mean don't share the information if you want to, just that you don't need to just "chat" about it here all the time and get the BS that goes with it. If you did your chatting privately and posted when you guys had something worth reporting (if you chose to share) then you'd spend less time dealing with crap like this and everybody would still get the benefit of you guys hard work. Is that sor hard to understand ??

And I am sorry but Bill posting that he has had Spec 4 out again and when the muzzle is stopped you don't need to adjust it any further isn't news worth reporting, he is just priming up for another BS thread. If all you guys posted were actual singnifant results rather than chat about it you'd avoid the very thing that you say bothers you !!

I have no place to tell you guys what to do, it was just a suggestion that seemed perfectly logical. If you don't agree then have at it, but you guys are just looking like folls with the way that all this is going. People have lost a lot of respect for you and Bill as a result of the whole nature of these threads, I think you will find I am right !!! Even Roger stays out of it for the exact resaon I have mentioned.

Have at it if you want, I'll just sit back and watch, promise I will never comment again unless it is a genuine question when there are results reported.

Bryce
 
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