Solution to Scope Warranty Worries

jackie schmidt

jackie schmidt

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I have a solution to the worries about warranties on very expensive scopes not being transferrable, making it a tad difficult to sell, even to a shooter who would love to have it.
Since the Extreme Accuracy Community, (which Benchrest is a part of), is pretty close knit, why not make a deal with the person from whom you are purchacing a used scope. In the advent of a problem, just send the scope back in the name of the originol owner. It's not like it has a title that has to be transferred.
This might be looked upon as "cheating", or down right dis-honest. But I thought I would throw it out there.........jackie
 
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Yes to what Jackie said....

I believe that March scopes should have transferable lifetime warranty at 2000+ price tag... If it's so superior....?
 
Actually it would be illegal

But still probably the best way to handle the situation . In order for it to be legal you would have to retain ownership of the scope. I suppose you could loan the scope for 5 years with a Very large deposit.
 
If the march scopes are so perfect why do you even need a warranty??
 
Dick Grosbier said:
But still probably the best way to handle the situation . In order for it to be legal you would have to retain ownership of the scope. I suppose you could loan the scope for 5 years with a Very large deposit.
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now i like this idea where's marcelli we need his input.
 
Are you guys just jelous? What difference can the length of the warranty make unless you own one?
Curious
 
I agree Dave

I don't see any need to "bash" aparticular brand. If you notice, in my originol post I said "very expensive scopes". Nightforce also falls into this category, as it is expensive, and does not carry a transferrable warranty. I own two.
I am just trying to come up with a decent solution for the shooter who might have difficulty selling a high end item that is perhaps only 6 months old, but does not have a transferrable warranty. The shooter who buys a relative new high end scope might feel better as well.
It would be nice if Deon Optics and Nightforce listed a price list for non-warranty work.
Just trying to think outside the box. (hmmm,I wonder if that's what embezzlers do)......jackie
 
A warranty

on an item is a great thing if it gets YOU a product that meets the specs that YOU require of it. Notice I said that YOU require of it. The problem with BR shooters and scopes is that we require NO movement. I am sure Leu and others have a spec, unwritten probably, that allows how much their product will move. It will most likely be more than we want. In that case, a warranty on a product that guarantees performance less than desired is almost worthless to some users, (BR shooters). That seems to be the case for many BR shooters and Leu scopes. Mostly that means is that we shouldnt be buying them for the uses we have. Add to that a design that will allow motion, and the product is even less desirable (leu, weaver, bushnell etc). The best thing for Leu to do is publicly state the amount of motion that they allow in their design, warranty the product to that much and if its less, tell the customer there is nothing they can do.

Be real carefull about calling the people in this sport names and insinating how stupid they are by modifying products to meet their uses. I seriously doubt anyone, especially Jackie, ever expects Leu to honor the warranty after gluing one. The glued scope now meets their spec and they are happy. Next time you decide to make a change to your equipment that the manufacturer didnt do, stop, call yourself a nucklehead and shoot it as is.

As for the other high dollar scopes, state the motion allowable, warranty the damn thing to that amount and back your product. Its sad that the warranty is not transferable, but that is their rule. If you dont like it, dont buy it. On the flip side, if people stop buying them for this reason, the companies may change their policy.
 
As a Avid reader and a sometime poor poster.......I have my comments. Lots say all I will own is Weaver etc. Not bashing,just picked that brand.....I have posted here before and will post it again.........I have Leupold for 25 plus yrs and THATS all I will own, wrong or not............Ernie
 
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Ernie said:
As a Avid reader and a sometime poor poster.......I have my comments. Lots say all I will own is Weaver etc. Not bashing,just picked that brand.....I have posted here before and will post it again.........I have Leupold for 25 plus yrs and THATS all I will own, wrong or not............Ernie
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Ernie,

Wait until you have three (3) 36X Leupold BR scopes at the same time that will not hold POI(point of impact) and then tell us how dedicated you are and will remain,

BTDT

The Old Guy
 
OK. Now for the big question....

What does March guarantee as far as movement in POI???? :eek:
 
With "zero" movement I could see why people are going to them.
I have been itching to try the variable model, maybe someone I know will get one so I can look though it.
 
I am sure the sales reps of the high end scopes will love reading this one. The ivory tower of BR may have just been tarnished a bit....

Let me see if I read this one wrong and I apologize to those reading if I have misunderstood the intent of the OT...

So a person that has the financial means of dropping $ 2500-3200 on a BR rig, plus another $ 1000-2000 in accessories for a hobby, cannot afford a $200-300 scope repair fee ?
 
Greg 79 F150 said:
So a person that has the financial means of dropping $ 2500-3200 on a BR rig, plus another $ 1000-2000 in accessories for a hobby, cannot afford a $200-300 scope repair fee ?
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Who said anything about cannot afford it ?

It is more a question of if a person thinks a piece of equipment has a reasonable warranty and the company that manufactured it stands behind an item in a reasonable fashion.
 
george ulrich said:
now i like this idea where's marcelli we need his input.
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George:

What are you doing to me? The answer to whether or not this would work would depend on how one defines "procurement." I'm not going to try to answer the question. Rather I'm going to react in a typical lawyer fashion and pass the buck to Deon or Kelbleys to answer this question.

My personal experience with scope warranties has not been good. The only time I got any satisfaction from a warranty repair was when I was sent a new scope as a replacement. I don't think any company does that anymore.

My other warranty experiences have been poor. I've never sent a scope in for warranty repairs and had it returned repaired. Soo, it becomes a matter of economics.

Generally, the length of a warranty is a prediction of how long its products will last. At this point, no one knows how long a March scope will last, but the company is betting it will remain within spec for 5 years.

If you amortize the cost of the scope over 5 years, thats a bit over $400 per year. You could buy 2-4, maybe even 5, other brand scopes during that time -- which may or may not work as well as the March (all of which will likely fail within the five year period in my experience. Heresy -- I know -- but this is my experience.)

If this works for you all, buy one. If not, don't.
 
gotta love all the legal talk. now i'm more confused than normal. george
 
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for those who are willing to risk the long term soundness of the scope against great optics and a reasonable expectation that the innards will always return to a position to provide the same POI there isn't an issue, even if there is NO warranty.

Years ago I remember hearing a presenter in a Sales conference say that Affordability is a concept, people will afford what they want to own. I don't see this issue as being any different. For me, however, as long as there are moving parts inside a scope,the scope, like any other machine is likely to fail at some point.

I just wonder why an emphesis isn't being placed on fixed scopes and adjustable mounts. It would seem to me that with just a tiny bit of focus, almost any manufacturing company would come up with adjustable mounts that would provide the same small amounts of adjustment that now exist in adjustable scopes. Warranty issues would potentially be greatly reduced as a result I am thinking.
 
Dick Grosbier said:
Who said anything about cannot afford it ?

It is more a question of if a person thinks a piece of equipment has a reasonable warranty and the company that manufactured it stands behind an item in a reasonable fashion.
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Not the way I read it, you may want to reread the OT. There are not too many different ways the OT can be deciphered. The suggestion is too bypass the non -transferable warranty on scopes. If the manufacturer had wanted their product(s) to have a transferable lifetime warranty, they would have put it in writing on the warranty card. ...

The OT may have been posted in jest, but until we read of such it will be read as a way to obtain a service, not paid for by the second owner. If a person wants to do this, they are either strapped for cash and cannot afford to repair the scope, or they are making their own rules at the expense of the scope manufacturer. Then, there is the old cliche' " Do the right thing". jmo
 
I guess another way to skin the cat is whenever you buy a scope, make sure you get a cash receipt (meaning a receipt with no name on it) and then if you ever want to sell it you include the cash receipt along with the factory box and all factory paperwork. Who's the wiser? Thanks, Douglas
 
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