sad, sad, turbo tale

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Jefferson

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HI from Canada, yes I have some other rimfire br guns (hall swindlehurst 40x 52) but always wanted a Turbo so I bought one a while ago.
smithed by B. voelker, mini tracker stock (so nice) shilen barrel hoen tuner and so on, BUT IT CANNOT BE EXPORTED as the importers took to long and now batf does not allow stuff to leave the good old usa without manufacturers permits.
So the gun sits at russ haydons and I will get him to list it in the classifieds when he wakes up today. I was so looking forward to shooting the gun up here. It shows you what happens when exporters and importers dont do their jobs quick enough. There is another way but I will not do that.

So for others thinking a turbo can be built and exported stay away for now.

You guys in the usa are so lucky.
I must go and cry now,

Jefferson :eek:
 
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I don't understand, please provide more detail. Thanks, Douglas
 
will do

1. the canadian side needs to create a webpage for the new (to the canadian government) gun. They are unfamiliar with a TURBO ACTION so they need the specs and details i.e. where the lettering is, what it says, configuration, (bolt and port) barrel lengths, single shot, action length diameter and so on.

2. the us wants a export licence (like most companies for sinclair or brownell) and since a small manufacturer might not want to pay 2200 for that priviledge the US EXPORT PERMIIT will not be granted.
if they would have done it when the gun was bought it would be up here months ago. but alas no.

there are guns that majically appear in canada and then get registered as (previously not registered under the amnesty) but this will not be one of them. (dont need the hassle of getting a friend in trouble as ffls have to transfer to a individual and then the majic begins)

mor detail in canadian gun nutz and other sites as this has been covered on the centerfire br side a few times.

hope this helps, also it does not apply to anschutz, winchester 52's, sako, even got a few suhls into canada as (thalman) were that came from the canuck side who knows), but had trouble with a time last year (dont know if the time company is the same one that made the time I imported or not but they let it through)

and the new cost for export/import has gone through the roof, so we will now shoot the old savage/anschutz 190's hit a pop bottle at 20 feet, almost every time.

later
Jefferson
 
Jefferson,
The problem of getting guns out of the US is not something that has just happened, I know a guy in the UK that had a gun built for the World Championships and ran into the same problem about June last year.
Peter
 
What is new to Canadian is old tale to almost all the rest of the world.

In Brazil we always had to have an Import Permit and a Export Permit (from US) and pay a lot of taxes and fees.

Actually, last year I imported a Rem 40X built by Brian Voelker (excelent customer service and quality work!)... it took me 8 months to have the rifle in my house and about U$800,00 in taxes and fees (not included the air ticket to US).
 
Just a thought,,,,,,,Could you get Whittakers, Sinclair or Brownells, or someone that is familiar with a Turbo, to ship the gun to you? I'm sure they would want some kind of fee.
Did any of your other guns come from the U.S.? If so, how did they know what a Swindelhurst is?

There has to be a way, you just haven't found it yet. I wish you luck.
Dale
 
Dale,
The problem is with the new US rules you can’t send the gun to a 3rd party to handle the export these days. Gunsmiths are now regarded as manufactures and they are the ones who need to have the export permit and that cost around US$2000 a year. Some action makers do have export paperwork and you can still get the actions out.

Peter
 
Peter, so are you saying that Flash Ebert would have to pay the $2K ?
 
Dale,
From what we are told the gunsmith is regarded as the manufacture and he is the one who needs the export permit. If it is only the action it is maker who needs the permit and I did hear that some actions went to Italy, so Flash might have already paid the 2K.

But the gun I was talking about last year was on a Swindlehurst action and Kelbys couldn’t export it because they didn’t build it and the gunsmith that did, didn’t have an export permit, so the gun is still in the USA.

Peter
 
I have also run into trouble trying to export scopes. Part of the problem is, you can not go to one place and get all of the information you need. If you call and talk to someone,they do not know the answer. They hear "gun" and automatically say you can not export it.

Peter do you have a website or something that explains the entire export process?
 
daves sport shop in

lynden, washington state, their website has some of the paperwork needed, and I emailed a guy to post the link from canadian gunnutz forums to show the canuck side,
yes the actual manufacter has to pay the tx as a manufacturer and then it can be exported,
and all the non-canuck guns I buy came from the us of a.
it takes about 2 months to 15 months depending on your ex and im porters schedule and when you get the info to them.
it is all about money unless it is a small manufacturer
Jeff
 
I think someone is going to have to pay the $2K on the serial numbered action. It would be nice if Flash had already done this. Sounds like we don't know if he has or not?
 
dont think he has

as he is a small manufacture and this does not really increase his sales, nice guy but small manufacture so why would he,
the other way would be to market them through a large firm but then the hassle of doing so,
same as the new rimfire that meyers was working on, unless a manufactuers permit is done at that level they dont leave the usa.
also to ship in parts is OK but then each part has to have a man license,
ie trigger barrel stock manufacture, it gets more complicated,

funny if the action manufacture has the license then the completed gun can leave the country

Jeff
 
This is all because of the US State Department crack down on terrorists. It has gotten progressively worse since 9/11. They control what can be exported. The latest licensing fees regarding export of controlled items put several exporters out of business. In some cases their export license fee went from $1750 to $25,000 based on the value of goods exported in the previous year.

It is a US problem originating in the US. The world just has to get used to the fact the US is closed concerning many firearm related items.
 
Dan,
I don’t know of any webpage that explains all of this, I was sent some info last year but that computer died and took all that info with it. Most of what we know is from other people who have had problems. As for scopes, if you look at Leupold custom shop and Sinclair’s webpage they both say they don’t export scopes anymore, I’d just ask Leupold.

What worries some of us on the outside of fortress USA is all these changes come about under a rightwing government, now the other guys are pulling the strings, what next?

Peter
 
Sounds like an opportunity for Flash to sell his action drawings/specifications to a Canadian machinist to produce an authorized Canadian version of the Turbo action. Someone in Canada must have the ability to produce these fine actions. Since its so difficult to send actions/rifles across the border, they won't be competing against each other for sales.
 
One would think

The US would be a lot more concerned about imports than exports??? Why should we care what anyone outside the country does with our guns? When one considers all the other countries that are making AK's for instance, how could a few "Home Brew" actions make any difference?
 
This is preaching to the choir, but it's gonna get worse for us in the USA too, with our present administration. Sure, we have the 2nd Amendment, but what about excise taxes? If they put big tax on ammo, that $20 box of X-Act will cost $100, good way to take our guns away without confiscation.

There are 85 million gun owners in the US, but only a couple mil belong to NRA; if all 85 belonged, you'd never hear another single word about gun control, sad but true. it's all about voters, 85 mil could get anything they want.

Thanks, Douglas
 
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