?????'s on bullets

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taxman

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Hi folks,

I am new at the BR game in general. I have purchased some BR bullets from a nationally known reputable maker. I will not knock the person or his product, but I have a few questions. These bullets will be shot in a 6ppc gun I am in the process of purchasing. Currently I am not involved with any match shooting, just trying to see if I have what it takes to be 1/2 arsed competitive or be happy shooting paper at my local range.

The bullets weights are 68.2 grns to a high of 68.7 grns. Do I just separate them into groups of the same weight or is this a non issue? I weighed about 50 out of the first box, the majority fall into one or the other weight.

The base to ogive measurements are .3885" to .3905" with a majority at .3890". That I am very happy with the consistency.

The pressure ring appears to be within .0005" +/-, I am happy with that as well.

The weight is the only thing that bothers me.

From the real shooters out there, what are your thoughts? Load & shoot? Don't sweat the small stuff? Sort by weight & be happy?

I am measuring with a digital vernier that reads to .0005" and .0001 manual micrometer and two different electronic scales.

Thank you for your thoughts & time!

Tony D
 
Shoot em

Have you shot them? Weighing bullets is the biggest waste of time I can imagine.
 
Shoot them

Shoot them. Just make sure you have plenty. Just about the time you get dialed into a bullet > you run out.:)
 
Shoot em! That slight difference is not going to matter. Wind and mirage will your biggest headache of getting those bullets in the same hole.

Best advice is use the best equipment you can afford and learn how to read the wind and know how it affects your bullet.

Mike
 
That is what I wanted to hear.

Just starting in, you can read to much, know too much, takes a long time to figure out if you are doing it right or wrong. This game can be very expensive if you make the wrong decisions.

I read on this forum every day. I truly appreciate the thoughts and ideas of other folks time and effort.

Tony
 
Taxman

If you have indeed purchaced the bullets from what we consider a custom Benchrest Bullet Maker, then the only thing you have to do is open the box and shoot them.

Tell us a little more about the combination you will be shooting. Someone on the Forum will be shooting something similiar, and can give you a heads up on how to get started in the right direction on the tune.......jackie
 
Taxman

I would at least weigh them and shoot them in there batches but I'm probably the only one?Some even sort them all on junke machines its a live and learn thing I guess & if it helps your head eliminate any doubts its a good thing.
Jim
 
?????/ bullets

SORT THEM BY WEIGHT Make sure they seat the same at the lands to start/ Up and down on the charge to find the sweet spot.
Try different primers, 133 is the most consistant then 8208 if you can find some H322 extreme is another. After a while you 'll hit the spot.
change one thing at a time'''
 
The amount of weight variance that you report is not an issue for 1-200 yd. Benchrest. I have this from a distinguished competitior of many years experience. Once you have a good load, stop fiddling and spend your time learning how to speak wind flag. No amount of equipment manipulation will substitute for that. One of the advantages of custom Benchrest bullets is that they are hand made, all on the same set of dies. The fellows that make them live or die by the reputation or their bullets, and for that reason, are very concerned with quality. Relax and enjoy.
 
Hi folks,

This is the rifle I am in the process of purchasing from Bob White.....

B12. 6PPC Light Varmint, Stolle Panda R/L w/Rt eject action; Krieger bbl w/.263 nk 450 rnds; Kelbly Klub f-glass glue-in stock w/weight system in butt; Jewell 2oz trig; Gunsmiths: Kelbly’s, Inc.; Very close to new. Absolutely "State of the Art" potential winning rifle. I plan on having another barrel done in the near future as well.

I plan on starting with a minimum of a 36X power scope.

I ordered two boxes of Lapua 220 Russian brass, and weight sorted them. Should I ball mic them as well?

I have turned the brass to an od of .2605". I have two turners a Sinclair and a K&M to work the necks down. Is this a good starting point?

I plan on shooting VV-133, I purchased 8lbs from Powder Valley, I believe a starting charge around 28.5 +/- unless load data come with rifle.

I have a few 1000 205M primers

The bullets are Bruno BT 68 grn, I have 62 grn berger FB as well.

As for tools, I am using a Sinclair no name digital vernier with their bullet comparator that attach's to the caliper. The digital caliper measure down to .ooo5". I have a dial vernier and a old version, straight emanuel read vernier. I have a ball mic that reads to .oo1 and a straight micrometer that reads to .0001.

I have two electronic scales that read very close on weight plus a 505 RC BS balance scale.

I think my nearest match will be about 90 miles away. I live in directly in the center of "Central New York state" Camilus is about 90 miles, and I am not sure about Canastota.

I read religiously here looking for the truth from the guys that shoot.

I have come to the conclusion that there are many experts on many subjects, but so few know the topic.

I am tickled when I see Jackie respond to one more of my ?????? that would be scoffed at on another forum. I also recognize names from other forums who have responded to my questions. As I stated before, this is an expensive game all on its own, I do need help in keeping poor choices of equipment from wasting funds I should direct to some thing else.

I have a Sinclair Front rest with 3 different bags to try and I have 3 different rear bags to try.

I am whupped, long day, I will see ya in the AM.

Thanks to all for your input!

Tony De Stephen AKA Taxman
 
Boyd Allen Thank you, I am the same Taxman on 6mmbr with a 243 ackley issues. I have ordered my small based dies, it going to be, "The die would take 16 weeks to have made and the price will be $85.00. $60.00 for the die and $25 for engineering and setup."

So I can shoot Virgin brass in that gun for awhile, but have to wait on the die.

I choose to go with Mr. White for a used rifle. He has a decent inventory to choose from, and he shoots. I will be buying what ever dies he sets me up with. I am banking on him selling me a good tool to start with.

Thanks again.
Tony D
 
Taxman

That is the same combo I shoot. Bruno Boat Tail, 133, and Krieger barrel.
Here is a tip for you right off of the bat. Get a Chronograph. Load your Rifle untill it hits an average 3380 fps. Then, set you seating depth to where the marks that the lands leave are twice as long as they are wide. Just use a magnifying glass and judge this. You will actually be able to feel the bullets lightly "crunch" into the lands as you chamber the round. Then, make .1 increments up on the charge untill the groups really tighten up.
Every shooter that I have given this advice to reports back that the Rifle really came to life.
With the Bruno and 133, you can play around in the lower load windows, and you might find a load that looks good. But, I guarantee it won't stay there.
The reason is that the Bruno is a Double Radius bullet, and has what I call a slow pressure curve with 133. So, the answer is shoot in the upper load window. Day in and Day out, shooting the Bruno and 133 in this manner gives the best overall agging capability.
Sounds like you are off to a good start.......jackie
 
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Jackie - Thanks!

I have never met you, never spoke with you, likely never will, but others have. You have probably lost more in memory serves, that I will ever gain. When it comes down to walkin the walk, sounds like you are one of the guys who are in the know.

It pleases me greatly that you are willing to hold out you hand with serious thought put in on your side to hand off to no-one and do it freely with the serious intent of helping to perpetuate the greater cause. That is really a nice gesture.

I work for local municipal governments in Central New York State. I am just a property Assessor. We are loathed, hated and generally disliked for our duties given. Shooting has always given me an escape to meet a Bunch of really nice down to earth folks.

Thanks to all!!!!
Tony D
 
Dave

Just did.
I guess that would be the "higher side of the high side of the upper load window'. It should read 3380 fps.....jackie
 
Get a good start.

I am new at the BR game in general. I have purchased some BR bullets from a nationally known reputable maker. I will not knock the person or his product, but I have a few questions. These bullets will be shot in a 6ppc gun I am in the process of purchasing. Currently I am not involved with any match shooting, just trying to see if I have what it takes to be 1/2 arsed competitive or be happy shooting paper at my local range.

Tony... Some advice...

1. Get Mike Ratigans book on "current" Benchrest...
http://extremerifleaccuracy.com/

2. Find a mentor as close as ya can... Big help in getting started.!

3. Have a blast..! This is a great sport and I'm sure you'll find a new host of great friends!

cale
 
Tony

Whatever you do, DO NOT MIX BULLETS FROM DIFFERENT BOXES. It doesn't matter if the bullets were made on the same dies, from the same jackets, using the same cores, by the same person. NEVER MIX DIFFERENT BOXES OF BULLETS. If you do, you'll probably see double groups. I have no idea why, but it happens. If you do see double groups, sort the bullets with a Junke machine. It seems to be the only thing that can devine the difference. Been there. Done that.
 
FL Die...

..."taxman"...if Bob is setting you up with a FL die, tell him you want a Redding SBR Full Length 6PPC die, Part # 77211. His website shows that it looks like he has a used one...D158...make certain that it is an "S"-type (takes bushings)...
 
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