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BrandonK
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At 100 or 200 yds is there an advantage to a 22 PPC or 6PPC or is it personal preference
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BrandonK
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Yes Im fairly new toBR in general, just wondering out of the two if the higher bc 6 or the faster 22is more common or had an edge but Im assuming from your response more guys like the 6?
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Rangerat
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OK. I want to get started shooting and reloading for 6PPC. I would like some suggestions for a rifle to get started. I did search a bit but did not come up with some starter rifles.
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f d shuster
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22ppc
BrandonK: I have both, and prefer the 6. Also have a 22 BR and 6BRs. The "6" wins again. Just something to play around with (the 22), since the brass & dies are so closely related, but for consistant "work" always use the 6. I have found the 22s' to be more pressure sensitive: gotta load them "hot" to get close to the performance of the 6, but hard bolt lift & ugly primers show up: real fast.
BrandonK: I have both, and prefer the 6. Also have a 22 BR and 6BRs. The "6" wins again. Just something to play around with (the 22), since the brass & dies are so closely related, but for consistant "work" always use the 6. I have found the 22s' to be more pressure sensitive: gotta load them "hot" to get close to the performance of the 6, but hard bolt lift & ugly primers show up: real fast.
Centerfire
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Have you tried Shooters Corner
Just a thought but Shooters Corner, a BRC advertiser, might be one source to look at on this site.
Centerfire
Just a thought but Shooters Corner, a BRC advertiser, might be one source to look at on this site.
Centerfire
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abintx
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Read what Mike Ratigan has to say ...
about the 6PPC & 22-100 (.100 short 22PPC). He has a whole chapter (chapter #9) in his book "Extreme Rifle Accuracy" on the two cartridges. It's a good read and might answer some of your questions. It's also an alternative to the often heard "old herd" refrain: ... shoot the 6PPC because that's what everyone shoots. Make up your own mind based on experience. Shoot both and then answer the question. As I recall the .222 (.224 caliber) still holds the world record of .009" for a 5-shot group at 100 yards set in 1973 by Gale McMillan. If the 6PPC is the world's most accurate cartridge when is it going to best that record? It's been "35 years" since that record was set! Something doesn't jive here. What is it? Art
about the 6PPC & 22-100 (.100 short 22PPC). He has a whole chapter (chapter #9) in his book "Extreme Rifle Accuracy" on the two cartridges. It's a good read and might answer some of your questions. It's also an alternative to the often heard "old herd" refrain: ... shoot the 6PPC because that's what everyone shoots. Make up your own mind based on experience. Shoot both and then answer the question. As I recall the .222 (.224 caliber) still holds the world record of .009" for a 5-shot group at 100 yards set in 1973 by Gale McMillan. If the 6PPC is the world's most accurate cartridge when is it going to best that record? It's been "35 years" since that record was set! Something doesn't jive here. What is it? Art
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Rangerat
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Just a thought but Shooters Corner, a BRC advertiser, might be one source to look at on this site.
Centerfire
Thanks Centerfire, I took a look and was impressed with the quantity of rifles on that site. I think I will post a question thread where more will see it. I am most interested in a new rifle at this point.
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BrandonK
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thanks for the insight guys. Ive been shooting my whoole life,reloading a few years and now getting into BR. It seems like natural progression if your an accuracy junkie. Im actually having a 6mm Dasher built soon, (waiting on parts) but Im thinking about building a 6PPC for short range work, I just wanted some info from people with personal experience. I just wasnt sure between the 22 or 6 but it seems to me the 6 is heavily favored. Thanks again.
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BMoore
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Brandon check your PMs
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jackie schmidt
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Art
A few days ago, I got in trouble with everybody when I said that a new shooter should never base his Benchrest Program on a single group. Looking at what consistantly wins over an entire season would be what I would look at.
The famous .009 group. Have you ever thought to ask what the next group measured?? Or the next. Or what the final agg in that yardage was. Might be interesting to know.
My advice is build a 6PPC.........jackie
A few days ago, I got in trouble with everybody when I said that a new shooter should never base his Benchrest Program on a single group. Looking at what consistantly wins over an entire season would be what I would look at.
The famous .009 group. Have you ever thought to ask what the next group measured?? Or the next. Or what the final agg in that yardage was. Might be interesting to know.
My advice is build a 6PPC.........jackie
David Halblom
Flying Fish Fundamentals
And to add to the speculation...
There are a great deal of people who will swear on a bible that the .009 group was a subtrefuge ( phony) that got thru all fail-safes. One group does NOT make an accurate rifle , bullet, cartridge design....the list is endless. if the 2 PPC -.100 was the answer for all, we would all be shooting it. As much as I hate being a follower, build, buy, steal a 6PPC and pay your dues to get to the competitive point.
IMHO ( lots of dues )
There are a great deal of people who will swear on a bible that the .009 group was a subtrefuge ( phony) that got thru all fail-safes. One group does NOT make an accurate rifle , bullet, cartridge design....the list is endless. if the 2 PPC -.100 was the answer for all, we would all be shooting it. As much as I hate being a follower, build, buy, steal a 6PPC and pay your dues to get to the competitive point.
IMHO ( lots of dues )
Your newness is showing. Almost no one competing in short-range benchrest worries about ballistic coefficient. People do worry about speed -- we're in one of those periods now, but that too is cyclical as it pertains to wind drift. Worrying about "speed" sometimes means worrying about pressure, on the grounds that high pressure loads usually seem to have a good, consistent rise on the pressure curve.
Don't try to be inventive with your first rifle. You will not stumble on a technological edge. You almost certainly will stumble however, and if you have been "inventive" with the rifle, you won't know where to start working out the problems. Nothing wrong with being an experimentor. But that comes after you have learned the sport, and can compete at a certain basic level.
In short, get a PPC like everybody else at the start.
jackie schmidt
New member
Charles Makes Good Sense
Everyone of us have tried to be "different" at one time or another, it's amazing what HAS been tried over the years.
One way to get a good start in Benchrest is to find a mentor who does pretty good, and just do what he does. Chances are, he will be shooting a 6PPC, using components, (ie, bullets, powder, barrels, etc), that are readilly available. It will not do you much good to take advice from a shooter who says, "get you some "T" Powder and............
I have my own ideas about how to shoot Benchrest with the components that are available today. It is no big secret that I shoot in what we call the "upper load window". I do not do this because I am so niave as to think you can push bullets fast enough to negate the winds affects on the bullets flight. I do it because with the components I use, that is where the best overall agging capability is.....jackie
Everyone of us have tried to be "different" at one time or another, it's amazing what HAS been tried over the years.
One way to get a good start in Benchrest is to find a mentor who does pretty good, and just do what he does. Chances are, he will be shooting a 6PPC, using components, (ie, bullets, powder, barrels, etc), that are readilly available. It will not do you much good to take advice from a shooter who says, "get you some "T" Powder and............
I have my own ideas about how to shoot Benchrest with the components that are available today. It is no big secret that I shoot in what we call the "upper load window". I do not do this because I am so niave as to think you can push bullets fast enough to negate the winds affects on the bullets flight. I do it because with the components I use, that is where the best overall agging capability is.....jackie
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JohnVm
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Charles and Jackie are giving you good advice. Using the 6 ppc, 99 percent of the people can help you if you run into a problem or forget something and it will be easier to learn as there is so much experience out there that can help. There are other quality cartridges but if you run into problems it can be frustrating.
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caroby
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Good advice...
John is Dead on, excellent advice! ..... +1 Also..... Make it a 6PPC 10.5 (10Lbs 8oz) LV/Sporter with optics so you can shoot it "through" the 3 classes.
Getting started can be tough but find a mentor and the curve will be a tad easier to negotiate.
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John is Dead on, excellent advice! ..... +1 Also..... Make it a 6PPC 10.5 (10Lbs 8oz) LV/Sporter with optics so you can shoot it "through" the 3 classes.
Getting started can be tough but find a mentor and the curve will be a tad easier to negotiate.
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abintx
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Jackie ...
A few weeks ago, during a phone conversation, I asked what you thought about the 220 Beggs since I said I was interested in that cartridge. You told me that you thought the 22s had a slight edge on the 6PPC and that the only reason you were shooting the 6PPC was because you had to in order to shoot in the sporter class. Has you rationale changed? Art
A few weeks ago, during a phone conversation, I asked what you thought about the 220 Beggs since I said I was interested in that cartridge. You told me that you thought the 22s had a slight edge on the 6PPC and that the only reason you were shooting the 6PPC was because you had to in order to shoot in the sporter class. Has you rationale changed? Art
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Con Cross
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jackie schmidt
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Art
No, my opinion has not changed. In the end, as far as ultimate accuracy goes, a 22 might have a slight edge over a 6mm. By slight, I mean just that.
But I am not about to fool around with two calibers in Match settings. Since we do have Region and State Championships fo Sporter, and I have to shoot a ".23 caliber or larger" in that, I am not going to put up with the hassles of trying to shoot two entirley different set-up.
There is a little more to it than "just screwing on another barrel". Heck, it is hard enough keeping one combination agging at a competitive level.
Apparently I am not alone in this thinking. At the last Nationals, when everybody switched from "Sporter to LV", I think there were just two shooters who actually switched to a 22.......jackie
No, my opinion has not changed. In the end, as far as ultimate accuracy goes, a 22 might have a slight edge over a 6mm. By slight, I mean just that.
But I am not about to fool around with two calibers in Match settings. Since we do have Region and State Championships fo Sporter, and I have to shoot a ".23 caliber or larger" in that, I am not going to put up with the hassles of trying to shoot two entirley different set-up.
There is a little more to it than "just screwing on another barrel". Heck, it is hard enough keeping one combination agging at a competitive level.
Apparently I am not alone in this thinking. At the last Nationals, when everybody switched from "Sporter to LV", I think there were just two shooters who actually switched to a 22.......jackie