Possible Attendance at Next Nationals

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Brother Steve, have you ever taken the time to notice...... that you disagree with a lot of people?
Most of your exchanges have never lead to positive solutions no matter what the exchange subject...Mellow out and let this board do it's thing. Give them the chance to succeed.
Thought you said you were going to listen to your shrink friend....that didn't last long.

Frank Tirrell
 
Brother Frank,

My new approach eliminates my need for loyalty and the accompanying emotion. It does not cancel my common sense. Exchanges between people that disagree should never have an expectation of change and what you call positive results. Those exchanges are only to inform the other party that there is another viewpoint.

I'm as mellow as blueberry pie can make one. No wants wants the new board to succeed more than I do. How about a deal? You stop posting and so will I, sound good?
 
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Reply to brother Steve...................Sounds perfect.

Frank Tirrell
 
Steve, I thought you were hanging up your bench rest hat

and letting the new order grow the sport. I guess I got that wrong.
 
Jz,

Yes, the intent was to hang up my benchrest hat but along the way, the best laid plans and all that.

Let's see, I take off the hat only to have my equipment held hostage until I comply with new demands. Then, I am asked to help with picking and convincing those to serve on the new board. Next, I need to manage and run the website, input scores, resurrect it after a catastrophic server failure, ensure it's future security and answer questions on how to create a replacement. Sorry, been kinda tough to live up to that promise.

However, based on your brilliant and convincing argument, I will do just that.


Brother Frank,

As you wish.
 
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Greetings Everyone,


I apologize for my lack or response, as I was soaking my backside in the emerald waters of the Caribbean and burying my feet in the white sands of the Bahamas for the last week.


So let me humbly chime in with some opinions here.


There are some who are questioning the number of shooters that are interested in attending.
And, some asking what our stats were in reference to locality. Yes there was a large number of local shooters. The numbers roughly break down to about 70% not local and about 30% local. That being said, lets look at a number of factors. First, this was the first National championship of its kind ever done. With that being said, the momentum had not started. Now that the ball is rolling it is easier to keep it rolling. One big example is the Extreme being held next month. There are estimated to be nearing 100 attendees as we speak. This I can confirm. I think that says enough. Every event will always have a strong representation from local shooters.
People from all over the world will attend the USARB National championship.


The venue has the potential to overshadow the Worlds in the right hands.


We saw attendees from multiple countries attend, considering we had about at least ten or so that could not make it due to visa issues, the numbers would have been higher.




Some very important mission statements need to be made regarding the Nationals.



  1. Remember this is an event to celebrate the sport.
  2. Make it a competition of inclusivity rather than exclusivity. There are many levels to this.
  3. Create multiple opportunities to shoot. ie lots of shooting time. remember not many people would want to spend thousands to travel the world/country to only shoot for 60 minutes in one or two classes.
  4. Make this a non rushed event over at least 4 days.
  5. Remember this is all about the all shooters and not about a few of the best.
  6. Incentives for the winners. i.e. significant prizes
  7. Incentives for the participants. i.e. shooters packets, raffle, etc
  8. Sponsorship involvement
  9. Social opportunities to enhance the experience
  10. Most importantly, make it a FUN and MEMORABLE event for ALL.


With these priorities in mind, the event will be successful.


For our event we had here, it was important for us make sure we had enough space to accommodate all who wished to attend every event. That task was monumental. The goal of this was to again attract shooters, not turn away. Down the road, if we have thousands of interested shooters, then maybe we should consider a selection criteria. Or consider a tournament style course at the event.


Scoreline. It is very hard to determine who the best shooters in the country are when each range has different conditions that have variable levels of difficulty and wind conditions. As exemplified in the Nationals, some who score high at a calm range, may not do so well in a turbulent range. One range’s 730 may be another’s 749 30X. Scoreline is a poor barometer to determine national ranking. It is however a great opportunity to share scores. When national ranking is considered, one should look at placement in events and not raw scores. This is where regional events should come in. If there is a selection or qualification process, this is how it should be done.


USARB membership. I believe every club should have a yearly membership fee. In addition, I believe there should be a small sanctioning fee at regional events that goes to the organizing body. For example, $3-5 per shooter at a regional, and / or $5-7 for a national should to go the the USARB. This affords the governing body to have some income for discretionary spending and maintenance costs.


Location of The National Event. It seems logical to host it in various locales each year. That would give every region the opportunity to support the sport, and to represent themselves to the rest of the world. But until that time comes, a range should have the minimum number of spaces necessary to meet the capacity needs of a national venue irregardless of where it can be held.
If neither location or bench numbers are available, then we deal with what we have until that time. And if we have to run constant relays over a multitude of days to accommodate every shooter, then so be it. Inclusivity not exclusivity.


National “control”. Now that the USARB is advancing. I agree that we need a set of rules that are clear and comprehensive. I agree that we need a body of persons in place to contend with unforeseen issues that come up at the least opportune times. I believe appeals and disputes should not be left to one sole person or a match director to interpret but rather a small official group. For example, Match Director, USARB Chairman, Scoring Officer etc. Rules need to be made so interpretation can be derived and concrete determination can be applied by anyone who can read. Safety, on the the other hand, should lie squarely and unequivocally on the match director.
The execution of any national event requires close collaboration with any match director and the governing bodies. yes, It’s that simple.




Looking to the future…. If the board would be interested, we here in Arizona would again be willing to host the National Championship in 2016. Now that… is another thread.


Kind Regards,


Garrett
 
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I do have to ask this. I've competed off and on for the last 20 years I have shot my fair share of matches. At our Championships for 1000 BR We might have four relays in some perfect to horrendus conditions . Luck of the draw if you hit the conditions. Well thats where I questioned and finally dropped out , though I won my fair share over the years, it was largely I got that good relay. I felt that they should take the top three shooters from each relay and have the shootoff the next day for top shooter, for the 12 benches available.The shooters competing in the same conditions .
Is this how it will be at Nationals for Airgun? Top shooters from each relay? Excuse me, I have not made alot of AirRifle BR Matches I do have aways to drive from Montana, and just not there yet for time and $$$ to take off for A week and drive.Dont think I dont drool wanting to come compete against you guys scattered about and shoot your Matches...one day!
So how will it be? Thankyou. Pete

PS... I plan on coming wherever it be held.....
 
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There is a difference

Brother Frank,

My new approach eliminates my need for loyalty and the accompanying emotion. It does not cancel my common sense. Exchanges between people that disagree should never have an expectation of change and what you call positive results. Those exchanges are only to inform the other party that there is another viewpoint.

I'm as mellow as blueberry pie can make one. No wants wants the new board to succeed more than I do. How about a deal? You stop posting and so will I, sound good?

between Common Sense and Education. There are many illustrations one can bring forward. The deal is, it's all about what is fair for the shooter, the rest of it doesn't matter much. In most orgs, the match director is a figurehead, not GOD. Wilbur is 100% right. Wilbur has seen it all and his words are Education. There is no point in trying to re-invent the wheel. There are a number of long standing Benchrest orgs that have formulated a simple set of rules that are fair for everyone involved. I do not see how trying to do something else is sensible.

Pete
 
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Pete - thanks for your kind words.

There seems to be a difference in shooting air rifle as opposed to what's happening with other types of guns. I picked up on that while reading Joe's post. As an aside, somebody please tell me the difference just so I'll know without me having to get off my...well...somebody please tell me the difference.
 
Da Nada Wilbur

Pete - thanks for your kind words.

There seems to be a difference in shooting air rifle as opposed to what's happening with other types of guns. I picked up on that while reading Joe's post. As an aside, somebody please tell me the difference just so I'll know without me having to get off my...well...somebody please tell me the difference.

I, for the life of me, can't figure out the Air Gun Exclusivity either. Some of the same shooters shooting the same format; so why do rules have to be exclusive? Don't make no sense - -- -
 
Why in the world are we spending time on this subject?

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Joe made it very clear earlier in the thread. He will decide what is best and he will do so without discussion.

Don't make Joe the bad guy. Unilateral decision making, discouraging open input, and refusing to openly discuss issues is how the USAR Board operates. Four people decide the fate of sanctioned BR activities and there is apparently nothing any of us can do about it. The Board will act as it sees fit and as was made clear to me in earlier communications with the Board none of us have any say in the matter.

So that there is no misunderstanding, I'm NOT saying the methods are good or bad. I'm simply acknowledging the current state of air rifle bench rest and suggesting we all get used to the methods described since there is apparently no way to seek changes to Board policy, Board decisions, or Board membership.

So no one can say I'm hiding my identity via an online alias, my name is Mark Bouchard. Some may still be curious as to my identity so as the Texas Board Member observed earlier, I'm one of those Phoenix shooters who is allegedly not a serious competitor because I used an AirWolf electronic gun and only had to travel 16 miles to participate in the 2014 Nationals.
 
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