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This thread is getting out of hand and a little negative for my liking gentleman, there is a Match Director (Craig Young) organising everything as per WRABF requirements, there will be over 30-40 and 3 relays on additional new concrete benches so no one will be sharing a bench, there will be on site storage for competitors guns, toilets, and vendors selling gear etc etc dont be doomsdayers for an event that the USA should and will be proud to have held.

I shoot ths range all the time and I have found nothing wrong with it....They will have 39 benches ,what I would be concerned about is the invisible wind, big snakes and oh don't forget the bug repellent ( better make it two cans ) . Some suntan lotion and an air conditioner will help also ...It will be 37 to 43 c daily with the heat index....Hope your bring the right ammo .

PS People are asking what the match fee's are anyone know at this point ?
 
what I would be concerned about is the invisible wind, big snakes and oh don't forget the bug repellent ( better make it two cans ) . Some suntan lotion and an air conditioner will help also ...It will be 37 to 43 c daily with the heat index....Hope your bring the right ammo?

Boy that sounds fun :D

It looks a great range to me, I'm sure everything at the event will be fine and people will come away with many happy memories.

I gather there's already been one cancellation from Abbottabad, maybe the talk of cotton mouths and gators put him off.

Brian
 
Boy that sounds fun :D

It looks a great range to me, I'm sure everything at the event will be fine and people will come away with many happy memories.

I gather there's already been one cancellation from Abbottabad, maybe the talk of cotton mouths and gators put him off.

Brian

Ah..... just ignore them and they will go away.....Charleston is a fun town
 
Boy that sounds fun :D

It looks a great range to me, I'm sure everything at the event will be fine and people will come away with many happy memories.

I gather there's already been one cancellation from Abbottabad, maybe the talk of cotton mouths and gators put him off.

Brian
I think it had more to do with a Navy Seal than a reptile
 
I shoot ths range all the time and I have found nothing wrong with it....They will have 39 benches ,what I would be concerned about is the invisible wind, big snakes and oh don't forget the bug repellent ( better make it two cans ) . Some suntan lotion and an air conditioner will help also ...It will be 37 to 43 c daily with the heat index....Hope your bring the right ammo .

PS People are asking what the match fee's are anyone know at this point ?

Tuna: Match fees will be advertised soon to the country reps to distribute to their respective team members. There are also rumours flying about this so i will try and alleviate this also, match fees will be per match, not per target and not one fee for the whole world championship. By a match i mean for mexample Heavy 50 meters or Sporter 25 meters etc etc. As we have secured many sponsors i imagine fees will not be too high per match.
 
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Andy & Me . . .

Andy D from Great Britain asked a question about those benches at Pallmetto being wheelchair friendly. The question was not answered.

I also shoot from a wheelchair and want to know if there is room in that horseshoe for a wheelchair. I don't think so. Before going to a match at a club with that type of bench, I would really want to know if I would be able to shoot.

Joe Haller (Mr. Frosty)
Chippewa County Shooting Association
Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan
 

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Andy D from Great Britain asked a question about those benches at Pallmetto being wheelchair friendly. The question was not answered.

I also shoot from a wheelchair and want to know if there is room in that horseshoe for a wheelchair. I don't think so. Before going to a match at a club with that type of bench, I would really want to know if I would be able to shoot.

Joe Haller (Mr. Frosty)
Chippewa County Shooting Association
Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan

I would say yes they are a lot wider then the picture shows , If you let us know the room you need we can measure it
 
I would say yes they are a lot wider then the picture shows , If you let us know the room you need we can measure it

Firstly, thank you Joe for following up my question as there is a number of us out there. This is the only sport in the world that I know of that disabled are at the same level to be able to compete as one with abled bodied members.

Tuna,

The best thing would be is to post the dimensions of the bench. Height, width of the space to enter the bench, these are the important info at is needed for wheelchair users. Every disabled shooter wheelchair height and width is different so there has to be a middle ground that most wheelchair will be able to fit into the bench.

I don't want this to be seen a problematic question but this is a world championship and for those traveling thousands of miles to take part in this event they should have the same acces to the same type of benches. I know that it has been pointed put there is a wooden bench, but we all know that this type of bench will not be the same as concrete one and can lead to poor shooting.
 
Firstly, thank you Joe for following up my question as there is a number of us out there. This is the only sport in the world that I know of that disabled are at the same level to be able to compete as one with abled bodied members.

Tuna,

The best thing would be is to post the dimensions of the bench. Height, width of the space to enter the bench, these are the important info at is needed for wheelchair users. Every disabled shooter wheelchair height and width is different so there has to be a middle ground that most wheelchair will be able to fit into the bench.

I don't want this to be seen a problematic question but this is a world championship and for those traveling thousands of miles to take part in this event they should have the same acces to the same type of benches. I know that it has been pointed put there is a wooden bench, but we all know that this type of bench will not be the same as concrete one and can lead to poor shooting.

I will try to get it in the next week or sooner...I think the wood benches are gone and are now all concrete as of last week .....I know Malcolm the range director is putting a lot of work and effort in to make it just right for you all.

If you haven't made hotels yet and are traveling with your family's I would stay in downtown Charleston as there is a lot to do..... Bring light clothes for the heat it is going to be HOT and plenty to drink at the range. Hats sunscreen and sunglasses..... Ever sat in a sauna ?

Jim

If you need any local information let us know
 
I will try to get it in the next week or sooner...I think the wood benches are gone and are now all concrete as of last week .....I know Malcolm the range director is putting a lot of work and effort in to make it just right for you all.

If you haven't made hotels yet and are traveling with your family's I would stay in downtown Charleston as there is a lot to do..... Bring light clothes for the heat it is going to be HOT and plenty to drink at the range. Hats sunscreen and sunglasses..... Ever sat in a sauna ?

Jim

If you need any local information let us know

Hya Tuna,
Like I said i won't be attending but I think there is one or two that will be attending that are wheelchair bound and would be good to have the details of the benches, many thanks in advance for you help.

AndyD
 
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Andy,
I have shot at many State, Regional & National matches over the last 8 years.
I have also had the opportunity to shoot next to some of the great handicap shooters at a lot of ranges and I can unequivocally assure you that they will say that Palmetto is one of the very best in that respect.
To keep it simple if you can arrive by car, plane or boat you will not have a problem.
If anyone has Unusual handicap requirements then they should have them made beforehand.
Any concerns you might have please feel free to email me at any time.
Doug
 
Good positive post Doug. Thank You.

Try as we might the rumours and doomsdayers are getting a bit much, next they will be requesting the WRABF raise the US$.

For the guys busting their butts and putting up their own cash to get this going it is deflating to see narrow minded selfish politics, rumours and gossip trying to spoil what will be a wonderful event.

Sorry if this post is a little harsh but im just about done!
 
I have been in contact with the "Palmetto Boys" about other issues than benches and got very positive and helpful responce on all my questions. They surely do all they can to make this event succesful. I think we will meet greater problems with the flight-companyes and travelissues. Maybe because they get paid, who would like a customer?
When looking at the pictures from the range I think the benches seem to be good "bulbholders", thats important to us seamen. And You probably don´t need a four wheel drive when setting out the flags.

Looking forward to "the battle"

Jens L
 
Andy,
I have shot at many State, Regional & National matches over the last 8 years.
I have also had the opportunity to shoot next to some of the great handicap shooters at a lot of ranges and I can unequivocally assure you that they will say that Palmetto is one of the very best in that respect.
To keep it simple if you can arrive by car, plane or boat you will not have a problem.
If anyone has Unusual handicap requirements then they should have them made beforehand.
Any concerns you might have please feel free to email me at any time.
Doug

Doug,
I can understand what Andy is talking about. I ran the RBA nationals at the Sydney Olympic range for year and it was built as a state of the wheelchair facility but wheelchair shooters are not all the same and bench shape and height requirements are not the same for all of them.

Bill,
Lighten-up I don’t see any doomsday stuff, go back and look at the thread from the last WC and you’ll see people (including you) were asking the same sort of questions and the only reason they ask is because they are interested and the info is not posted anywhere.

Peter
 
The opening in the benches is 24 inches ( 61CM) to the bottom of the top 30 inches (76CM) top is 35 inches (89CM) Hope this helps


Anyone find out what the match fee is ?

Jim
 
Peter you have no idea the pressures, emails and accusations that Craig, Carl & myself get, you also have no idea what time and money we put in to keeping the WRABF going. You have made it clear you dont shoot RBA here in Aus anymore and with that you are also no way involved with the WRBAF or this World Championships so please dont tell me what to do or to lighten up, i will continue to do what i and my committee believe is best and agreed upon by the delgates to the WRABF to help the sport. If that includes telling poeple they are wrong or to pull their heads in so be it.
 
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Firstly thank you to Tuna for getting the measurements of the bench.

As I pointed out in my first reply on this thread that I wasn't coming to this event due to health but I know that there are some other wheelchair people that have been in teams in past events, and my concerns was this type of bench has not been seen in Europe and looked a little bit of tight squeeze or maybe extremely high.

My question was not to cause arguments between people or to put a dampener on this great event, but purely to make sure that these benches were wheelchair friendly for those are in a wheelchair. If I was coming over and had spent a huge amount of money only to find that I couldn't get onto a bench, I would be extremely upset, even though I am sure that members would try to help out as much as possible.

Peter has rightly pointed out that not all wheelchairs are the same because of the reason of the persons disability and the type of chair that they have.

This U-shaped bench for a wheelchair user means that they have no turning point to be 70 degree on the bench or more like on a conventional bench. With my small frame of a body and width of wheelchair at just 24 inches means that I can scrape into the U-shape and would mean I would have no movement to turn onto the rifle like a conventional bench, if someone was larger the wheelchair width would even be more and would mean that they would not fit into U-shape.

Nearly all shooters would bring their own drum stools to sit on so that they could get themselves to the right height, this is not a privilege that someone in a wheelchair has they are at a fix height and have to make do with what height the range has in benches.

I know that the club has made a lot of effort in making their range ready for this event and spent a lot of money to accommodate this event, but the disabled part has been overlooked which is not a dig at the club or the committee that is managing this event.

I love this sport because disabled shooters are on the same par with able bodied people and is one of the reason why I got into this sport. It's the only sport that I know of that disabled don't have to have there own games or matches, they are treated as equals.

There is a system in place with the federation being the WRABF that says if you have any questions for the AGM to be held after this event to put them through their Rep. I think that it's clear from this thread that there has to be a standard type of bench used for this kind of event and even if it was a European one. I hope that the type of bench used in future events is brought up in the AGM,
I have spent my time when I have come across a wheelchair user to promote this sport to them for the reason that I've mention above.

I for one don't want special treatment when it comes to shooting or a handicap given to me because I'm in a wheelchair, from photos of other ranges in the States I've seen has been normal type benches were you sit on the left or the right of it, sat in the middle is very different and has to be thought out if you are going to be seen as a disabled friendly club or range.

I am sorry that this has cause so much argument which was not my intention by any means, it was purely to clarify the bench accessibility.

I hope that this event is a great success and will be watching from home as the news comes through on how everyone is doing and wish everyone well and a safe journey to and from the event.

AndyD
 
Firstly thank you to Tuna for getting the measurements of the bench.

As I pointed out in my first reply on this thread that I wasn't coming to this event due to health but I know that there are some other wheelchair people that have been in teams in past events, and my concerns was this type of bench has not been seen in Europe and looked a little bit of tight squeeze or maybe extremely high.

My question was not to cause arguments between people or to put a dampener on this great event, but purely to make sure that these benches were wheelchair friendly for those are in a wheelchair. If I was coming over and had spent a huge amount of money only to find that I couldn't get onto a bench, I would be extremely upset, even though I am sure that members would try to help out as much as possible.

Peter has rightly pointed out that not all wheelchairs are the same because of the reason of the persons disability and the type of chair that they have.

This U-shaped bench for a wheelchair user means that they have no turning point to be 70 degree on the bench or more like on a conventional bench. With my small frame of a body and width of wheelchair at just 24 inches means that I can scrape into the U-shape and would mean I would have no movement to turn onto the rifle like a conventional bench, if someone was larger the wheelchair width would even be more and would mean that they would not fit into U-shape.

Nearly all shooters would bring their own drum stools to sit on so that they could get themselves to the right height, this is not a privilege that someone in a wheelchair has they are at a fix height and have to make do with what height the range has in benches.

I know that the club has made a lot of effort in making their range ready for this event and spent a lot of money to accommodate this event, but the disabled part has been overlooked which is not a dig at the club or the committee that is managing this event.

I love this sport because disabled shooters are on the same par with able bodied people and is one of the reason why I got into this sport. It's the only sport that I know of that disabled don't have to have there own games or matches, they are treated as equals.

There is a system in place with the federation being the WRABF that says if you have any questions for the AGM to be held after this event to put them through their Rep. I think that it's clear from this thread that there has to be a standard type of bench used for this kind of event and even if it was a European one. I hope that the type of bench used in future events is brought up in the AGM,
I have spent my time when I have come across a wheelchair user to promote this sport to them for the reason that I've mention above.

I for one don't want special treatment when it comes to shooting or a handicap given to me because I'm in a wheelchair, from photos of other ranges in the States I've seen has been normal type benches were you sit on the left or the right of it, sat in the middle is very different and has to be thought out if you are going to be seen as a disabled friendly club or range.

I am sorry that this has cause so much argument which was not my intention by any means, it was purely to clarify the bench accessibility.

I hope that this event is a great success and will be watching from home as the news comes through on how everyone is doing and wish everyone well and a safe journey to and from the event.

AndyD

Andy

There is no reason to sit in the middle if you choose not too , there is ample room on both sides between benches....As for the height I am sure range will be more then accommodating. I don't think anyone will be disappointed. As for a lack of information about this range I can't help you there but I have received tons of emails and messages trying to help out.
 
Hya Tuna,

Please, please don't take this as a negative thing over me asking about the benches, as I've explained this is very different to what we have used at other international events and for someone in a wheelchair they are going to have concerns when something is different from what they are use to. Having seeing posted pictures you can only go by what you see and with not being sure who or were to ask about things like this has been difficult and the forum has been the only place as it was brought up with this thread.
With people saying that they are normally used for back to back shooting has only inflamed the situation and with clarification all should be happy.
The fact that you are now saying that it's possible to use the outside edge of the bench again helps and will put any wheelchair users mind at rest.

Thank you for taking the time to find out the information and clearing up questions that I've asked and I do hope that this will be the end of it and this event will be a great one for all to enjoy.

AndyD
 
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