New jacket on Bart's Ultra ?

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Kari_Lindstrom

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I bought some Bart's Ultra for next season, but the bullets look different on the color of the jacket. They are much browner than my old Barts. The shape of bullets are different, too. Therefore, I wonder if the jackets are still J4 or something new?

Anyone who has information about this?

/Kari
 
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Kari_Lindstrom said:
I bought some Bart's Ultra for next season, but the bullets look different on the color of the jacket. They are much browner than my old Barts. The shape of bullets are different, too. Therefore, I wonder if the jackets are still J4 or something new? Anyone who has information about this? /Kari
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Here's the latest from Bart's site:

Bart's ULTRA
A medium sized, tapered bullet, which measures .2435 on the pressure ring and starts as .2434 on the body and tapers off. Like the Wedge, it is a double radius bullet - 9 ogive in the back and then blends into a 6.5 in the front. It has about .040 more bearing surface than the Wedge.
Winner of multiple Super Shoots, Nationals, and World Championships!
Numerous World Records!
Available in 66 and 68 grain flat-base. $245.00 + shipping (1000)

I think the color is neat. My last two boxes have been that way. I was going to say give Bart a call until I realized you're in Sweden. Here is his site address: http://www.bartsbullets.com/. I'm sure Bart is with Billy Stevens at the Shamrock this weekend but if you email him [his address is at the bottom of the site page] his wife may send a reply since she is very knowledgeable about their products. Art :)
 
jackets

having bought jackets of various lots for more than 10 yrs for my own bullet making. i have observed quite a bit of color variation,,, colors from pinkish to darker like old aging bullets show... I doubt he's using a "different" jacket than j-4. i've never asked about the diff... i've never had em shoot bad irregardless of color.

Kirk
 
Whats the though behind these double Ogive bullets? I have some bruno double o bullets that shoot extremely well in my rifle. I am just about out of them and i really dont know if i am going order any more of them as the George Ulrich bullets shoot equally well and i have some of these on hand. Whats the double o do that the others dont? Lee
 
Skeet

Double Radius Bullets, (ie, those that start out with one ogive number and end up with another as it approaches the shank), caught on about 8-10 years ago.

Here is sort of how it all came about. A very popular Benchrest Gunsmith, and Bullet Maker, was fooling around in a attempt to re-burn a die. After it was done, the results, mainly by pure accident, resulted in a bullet that had a double radius, or pretty close. The die ended up in the hands of another shooter, who just happen to furnish the bullets for one of the best shooters on the Planet. They became the talk of the town, and so other bullet makers started having dies made that produced the same type of bullet. The Ultra is this type of bullet.

For years, Benchrest was ruled by relative straight shank bullets with a conservative ogive. The originol Berger, the Fowler, Watson and others are good examples. Bullet Makers, such as Cecil Tucker, had dies that made high ogive number bullets, but they were not the same as the current crop.

Of the double radius bullets now being used, The Ultra, HeadHunter, Hottenstien, and Bruno 00 are among some of the more popular.

I doubt there is really any "advantage" in using this type of bullet over any other. The fact is, great bullets are more of a product of the Die and individule components than anything else. Some barrels tend to like them, but then, great barrels tend to like much of anything you feed them...........jackie
 
My understanding

about the double radius came from Speedy. He said that he put the famous Euber bullets on a comparator and found them to be a double radius design. He then claimed he made some dies as close to that as possible. Tuckers and Armans were the first ones made from him that way. Both seem to shoot real good. Just a story from Speedy, take it as you will. Sounded logical to me.
 
Jackie, the die you are talking about i believe is still in iowa. started as a double radius and originally belonged to myles hollister.i haven't had the chance to look at that one but have seen a few others. all that was reburned was the ejection pin location. george
 
What dies would qualify for an all time top ten list?
And what die would you like to get your hands on most of all?
 
Top Dies

I suppose the all time top die is the originol Euber, that was the die of Legend.

The originol Fowler, Berger and Watson Rorschac Dies (sp) produced some of the finest bullets ever. I don't know if that originol Fowler is still being used, but Bart Sauter has the Watson.

The Die that we have been discussing does not neccessarilly fit into this question, because Armond would not sell the bullets to just anyone, Tony Boyer, of course, was it's most successful user. As you might know, Tony has been successful with any bullet he decided to use.

The 22 Die that Bill Forrester has used for years speaks for its self. But of course, Bill wouldn't even let most mere "mortals" even look at his bullets, much less shoot them.

Over the past 30 years, there have been a multitude of dies that many shooters would sell their first born to get. Many are in the hands of private shooters who do not sell to the public. Charles Huckeba and Larry Bagget have some, as does Gene Bukys and Pat Byrne.

Right now the Hottenstien Bullet is the hottest bullet in Benchrest that is sold to the general public. In the years to come, this particular bullet might be talked about with the same awe and reverance as the old originol Euber...........jackie
 
i believe its an 8.5. jackie i used to shoot bills 22's never had any problems but he no longer is interested in making them for anyone anymore. george
 
Ulrik Sandgren said:
What dies would qualify for an all time top ten list?
And what die would you like to get your hands on most of all?
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anyone that has tip dead on center and base square to centerline, really as long as there within reason the different ogives don't seem to matter. george
 
Benchrest for a Select Few

Reading Posts about all the best bullet making dies ending up in the hands of well known shooters brings back references to the hoarding Posts that were written earlier.

Answer me this why is it that certain shooters keep standing orders with retailers to buy what ever Federal primers, 8208 powder, and March scopes that are available. Why would a shooter need 96 lbs of a new powder or 20,000 Federal primers when a guy already has 75,000 primers.

Seems like benchrest is becoming a Sport that those that have the most money and the biggest name control the market on products that the average shooter needs. I'm sure that the next lot of 133 is bought up by the hoarders before it is imported.

These views are not mine alone. Most every shooter I know feels the same.
Many shooters buy more components than they might use for the next ten years for the fear that the powder or primers might not be available later.

Easy solution when getting ready to buy 48 lbs of powder when you have 96 lbs in your shop why not back off and leave some for the guy that can maybe only afford 8 lbs. Sorry for the rambling but I think you guys get what I'm trying to say. No names implied.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
 
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