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Carp
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Beau,
what is the closest town or city to Buck Creek?
Carp
what is the closest town or city to Buck Creek?
Carp
James,
I know what you're saying, but I do not believe Calfee has adjusted a trigger for a customer. It's always been against his policy to do so ever since I can remember. With the Bond trigger, he did provide a diagram on how to adjust it; with a Jewell, it's provided with the trigger. I'm sure he has adjusted his own triggers. It really does not take a gunsmith to adjust a trigger. I can do it and truthfully, if I can do it, anybody with the right tools can.
As far as the relaxed trigger goes, I think DJ has the only one in use right now. I could be wrong. That's obviously a modification, but not necessarily an adjustment of weight. That's one of those gray areas. I guess DJ would have to weigh in on that. But you make a good point.
James,
Just to answer this one, but yes that's exactly it and yes it has happened and recently. I'm not arguing for it or against it, but as far as I know, it's always been his policy.
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cwop
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something for nothing
sirs you are not getting the point. i do not expect mr calfree to make any consessions or adjustments to a rile he built many years ago i dont know the true age of this rig.
i sent bill a request by us mail with my fax nr. on it. im sure fisrt of all being a businessman for many years i give him credit for that.i have individual files for every customer i have several thousand matter of fact. now to send a fax it would cost a total of 6c. WOW!
butch lambert has said no big deal for him i dont know how large his business is but he too keeps files. so dont get your shorts in a knot when these things are brought up.
what i have found is this rifle an expensive one at that has a awfull trigger wouldnt you expect a premium rifle such as this to have a good trigger on it? i certainly do!
now i have some private thoughts about this whole deal as to the construction of this rifle. i keep good records in my business and if a customer calls me needing information i consider no big deal to help my customer out. whats so bad about this?
now i stated my opinion of bills business accuem and i stand by that he is a fabulous merchandizer and has buillt some great rifles but you never want to forget who got you where you are that s us the shooters whether we are winners or not.
case in point i read where gene davis callls a customer evern when he is on vacation did gene want to make that call no but he didnt forget who got him where is he today. who just is that us the shooters whether we are winners or not.
i dont recall asking bill for one thing except a history of this rifle but i dont expect to pay 50.00 for it and i wont. ll buy a jewell fix it right but its too bad this rifle isnt up to what i expect out of a builder like this.
BY THE WAY THE RIFLE IS NOT FOR SALE DONT ASK!
bob
sirs you are not getting the point. i do not expect mr calfree to make any consessions or adjustments to a rile he built many years ago i dont know the true age of this rig.
i sent bill a request by us mail with my fax nr. on it. im sure fisrt of all being a businessman for many years i give him credit for that.i have individual files for every customer i have several thousand matter of fact. now to send a fax it would cost a total of 6c. WOW!
butch lambert has said no big deal for him i dont know how large his business is but he too keeps files. so dont get your shorts in a knot when these things are brought up.
what i have found is this rifle an expensive one at that has a awfull trigger wouldnt you expect a premium rifle such as this to have a good trigger on it? i certainly do!
now i have some private thoughts about this whole deal as to the construction of this rifle. i keep good records in my business and if a customer calls me needing information i consider no big deal to help my customer out. whats so bad about this?
now i stated my opinion of bills business accuem and i stand by that he is a fabulous merchandizer and has buillt some great rifles but you never want to forget who got you where you are that s us the shooters whether we are winners or not.
case in point i read where gene davis callls a customer evern when he is on vacation did gene want to make that call no but he didnt forget who got him where is he today. who just is that us the shooters whether we are winners or not.
i dont recall asking bill for one thing except a history of this rifle but i dont expect to pay 50.00 for it and i wont. ll buy a jewell fix it right but its too bad this rifle isnt up to what i expect out of a builder like this.
BY THE WAY THE RIFLE IS NOT FOR SALE DONT ASK!
bob
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cwop
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the calfee
by the way i dont have a pappas rest but i may find one used at a good price someday if i do ill bet when i get it and it has a glaring problem done by mr. pappas ill be he wont allow that to remain out there unfixed a bad example to his craft.
ill just be he will say knowing him send it back and ill fix it no questions ask.
bob
by the way i dont have a pappas rest but i may find one used at a good price someday if i do ill bet when i get it and it has a glaring problem done by mr. pappas ill be he wont allow that to remain out there unfixed a bad example to his craft.
ill just be he will say knowing him send it back and ill fix it no questions ask.
bob
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BJH
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cwop
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mr. pappas
mr. pappas
i have a davis 22 b/r and a calfee b/r both works of art. both used you dont mistreat rifles such as this. if i purchased a used one of your rests i assure you it would not be beat up nr. i i wouldnt buy it and nr. 2 i consider your rest a very expensive piece of the b/r picture.
now if i find one say for 75.00 less than a new one guess which on i will buy. i im a tightwad i get the best but buy used. now if i find this rest has misaligned holes or other errors i would talk to you about it. would if after we talked and you said no way would i B**** about it no but my respect for you would drop quite a bit.
i dont think as you are also a business man in a very small market you would allow this to remain out there whenever you made it. get the picture.
a reputation is worth a lot to me.
bob
mr. pappas
i have a davis 22 b/r and a calfee b/r both works of art. both used you dont mistreat rifles such as this. if i purchased a used one of your rests i assure you it would not be beat up nr. i i wouldnt buy it and nr. 2 i consider your rest a very expensive piece of the b/r picture.
now if i find one say for 75.00 less than a new one guess which on i will buy. i im a tightwad i get the best but buy used. now if i find this rest has misaligned holes or other errors i would talk to you about it. would if after we talked and you said no way would i B**** about it no but my respect for you would drop quite a bit.
i dont think as you are also a business man in a very small market you would allow this to remain out there whenever you made it. get the picture.
a reputation is worth a lot to me.
bob
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Douglas
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I'm going to add this and then STFU. The man bought a USED Calfee rifle and knows absolutely nothing about the rifle's history (except at some point in time Calfee worked on it). Therefore, is it out of the realm of possibility that a previous owner replaced a Jewell, or a Kelby, with a Remington factory trigger? I can't imagine any gunsmith building a rifle with a factory trigger, Remington that is. Thanks, Douglas
cwop, why don't you post a copy of your actual fax to Bill. I would like to see what you asked for. You can say it's none of my business and you'd be partially right, but you put it on the forum.
You seem to have an issue with the trigger that you blame Bill Calfee for. How do you know the seller, or someone else, did not take a Jewell or better trigger off and put the one you have on. Takes about ten minutes, wow.
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steve b.
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CWOP
This comment:
"i dont think as you are also a business man in a very small market you would allow this to remain out there whenever you made it. get the picture. "
Is a pile of crap, much like the majority of your posts. You vary between a boot-licker and an idiot, maybe a combination of both. Go away troll.
You are in absolutely no position to make any kind of statement like this. It simply screams your ignorance of this sport and of the people who have built it.
This comment:
"i dont think as you are also a business man in a very small market you would allow this to remain out there whenever you made it. get the picture. "
Is a pile of crap, much like the majority of your posts. You vary between a boot-licker and an idiot, maybe a combination of both. Go away troll.
You are in absolutely no position to make any kind of statement like this. It simply screams your ignorance of this sport and of the people who have built it.
Butch Lambert
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James,
I have found in some cases that a relationship ain't worth the effort and headache. I see that you understand where I am coming from. Head off the problem before you are part of it. You are a smart man.
Butch
I have found in some cases that a relationship ain't worth the effort and headache. I see that you understand where I am coming from. Head off the problem before you are part of it. You are a smart man.
Butch
Let me make a statement about James Pappas
I think James is one of the most reputable people in this business. He will go out of his way and many times to his detriment to help. First, I doubt that you would find problems with one of his rests. Second, if he felt it was his problem or simply wanted to help you, he would, to a level that you would never expect. Also to a level that I doubt you (cwop) have ever given a customer. However, James is no pushover. I don't think you could bring in a seven year old rest that someone else had modified and/or destroyed and demand that he fix it and get much respect or a postive reponse. Also, with his reputation I doubt that he would worry about what you have to say. There are few like James in any business and I think there are many out there that would agree.
I think James is one of the most reputable people in this business. He will go out of his way and many times to his detriment to help. First, I doubt that you would find problems with one of his rests. Second, if he felt it was his problem or simply wanted to help you, he would, to a level that you would never expect. Also to a level that I doubt you (cwop) have ever given a customer. However, James is no pushover. I don't think you could bring in a seven year old rest that someone else had modified and/or destroyed and demand that he fix it and get much respect or a postive reponse. Also, with his reputation I doubt that he would worry about what you have to say. There are few like James in any business and I think there are many out there that would agree.
If this is the rig he got in the classifieds it was actually a 40x with a "reworked" factory barrel that means bill did God knows what to it, could mean anything. I'd call it a "semi Calfee". He said he got it cheap initially, now it's an investment. I think you take the "under" on this one.
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brad541thb
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Ditto!
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Carp
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I know of a shooter that went to the ARA Outdoor Nationals in 2008 with an old , old Pappas rest that was purchased used. When James saw it he said he'd replace the old top with a new one if the shooter didn't mind that he ribbed ole Calfee once in a while. the shooter agreed and James gave him a brand new top. That was a good trade. That is all second and third hand knowledge but interesting to hear at a match.
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MIKECAMERON
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If you didnt buy the gun from Calfee YOU arent his customer, and also it is Bills ability and talent that got him where he is in accurizing and building accurate rifles the shooters want his rifles to HELP them win period.my 2c.
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MIKECAMERON
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James,
An FYI in the oct 06 issue of PS Bills article titled "just relax" he states unequivically, and I quote, "I do no trigger work myself".
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Peter Armstrong
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Guys,
I’ve read this thread and I’m just wondering has anyone ever taken a worn-out Calfee barrel put it on another gun and sold it off as a Calfee??
This gun doesn’t seem to have the right trigger and no paperwork to confirm who made it, so I’d have my doubts about its value. The only way you’d know for sure is if the $50 was paid to Kathy, but that raises another question, do you get a refund on the $50 if the guns a fake.
Peter
I’ve read this thread and I’m just wondering has anyone ever taken a worn-out Calfee barrel put it on another gun and sold it off as a Calfee??
This gun doesn’t seem to have the right trigger and no paperwork to confirm who made it, so I’d have my doubts about its value. The only way you’d know for sure is if the $50 was paid to Kathy, but that raises another question, do you get a refund on the $50 if the guns a fake.
Peter