I have a Lawton 7500 that i have chambered a barrel attached in 30BR. I like this action as it is smooth and very strong. One thing i do not like about it, is its ability to extract and eject the BR size cases. I have heard of a modification that can be done to the extractor. Something about changing the angle of it. I dont want to go into a lot of detail here, as i probably wouldnt explain it correctly. If you know of a smith, that works, or has worked on Lawton 7500 actions please let me know. Thanks Lee
Looking for a smith that has worked a lot with Lawton actions.
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Bill Ohio
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Lee, you ask a lot of questions on various forums. A lot. I mean a LOT.
Sometimes, you just wear out people by always asking advice. Advice of the sort that you could find out with a little initiative, i.e. searching on your own.
Now if it was me, I'd call Lawton, first. Their action, they should know, right? Otherwise, I'd go to the 'gunsmith' link on this very website, and then send email -- to spare these busy people yet another phone call which takes away from their machine time -- to the various gunsmiths asking them if they could handle your project. Then wait for their replies. They'll have different priorities than you, but that's their business.
You might also send email to G.A. Precision and a few other high volume rifle builders who aren't listed among the gunsmiths on this fine website.
You might also consider where Lawton Machine is based, and send email to, say, the nearby barrel makers, if any, to see if they're familiar with the sort of work you're contemplating.
Butch Lambert
Active member
Bill,
You noticed also.
Butch
You noticed also.
Butch
Bob Kingsbury
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Skeetlee
There can be a number of causes to your problem, and sometimes its not
the extractor at all.
There can be a number of causes to your problem, and sometimes its not
the extractor at all.
sorry i never meant to offend anyone!
Here is the deal. I thought this could have been a very informative topic. Soon after i bought my first Lawton action i sent it off to my smith to have it barreled. I choose a 30BR. The action wasnt ejecting the cases properly at all. We called Lawton and they played around with one of the same action they had on hand. What we came up with it to have the ejector fixed so it stuck out past the bolt face. With this being a single shot it shouldnt be a big deal. It works this way fine.
One afternoon before heading out to the range i decided to take the ejector out, to see if it made any difference with the accuracy. ( i just couldnt help but think all that spring pressure pushing against one side of the case was making it sit a bit crooked in the barrel or chamber. Maybe it is maybe it doesnt.) That afternoon i shot my rifle the best i had ever shot it. maybe it had to do with the ejector being out, maybe not? I can leave the ejector out of the 30br because this is my varmint for score rifle and i do not need to shoot fast with this rifle. I have another Lawton 7500 on my f-class rifle chambered in 6mmdasher. This rifle is also set up the same way. Bottom line is, i dont care for the plunger sticking out past the bolt face. Like i said maybe it doesnt matter, but in my mind it cant help. Before i bought these two Lawton 7500 i read somewhere that a fella was having the same trouble and he changed the angle on the extractor, so it held on to the cases longer. I cant find were i read that. I was hoping someone would respond.
I know fellas i ask to many questions. I am just plain ate up with all this and i truly enjoy this sport. I would give any one of you the shirt off my back if you needed it. i truly would. I will do my best not to ask so many question from now on. Shooting and rifles is all i want to think about, and i havent been able to shoot here lately, as the weather is crap. I am stuck in the basement and you guys are all i have. LOL!!! I like you guys and i enjoy talking with and reading what you have to say. I hope to meet most of you in the years to come. I am a likable fella, but i am just a big old kid at heart!!! I thought this would make for a good read and i hoped to gain some knowledge out of it. The 30BR is staying the way it is (without an ejector) but i was hoping to have my dasher modified a bit, to see if i could get some of the spring pressure off of the case. Thanks Lee
another thing i forgott to add, is that my smith would be more than happy to play around with the extractor, but he would need the hole rifle. the shipping would be about 70 bucks round trip. I was hoping some smith here would know exactly what to do, and i could just send my bolt. Again sorry fellas. i do mean well!!
Here is the deal. I thought this could have been a very informative topic. Soon after i bought my first Lawton action i sent it off to my smith to have it barreled. I choose a 30BR. The action wasnt ejecting the cases properly at all. We called Lawton and they played around with one of the same action they had on hand. What we came up with it to have the ejector fixed so it stuck out past the bolt face. With this being a single shot it shouldnt be a big deal. It works this way fine.
One afternoon before heading out to the range i decided to take the ejector out, to see if it made any difference with the accuracy. ( i just couldnt help but think all that spring pressure pushing against one side of the case was making it sit a bit crooked in the barrel or chamber. Maybe it is maybe it doesnt.) That afternoon i shot my rifle the best i had ever shot it. maybe it had to do with the ejector being out, maybe not? I can leave the ejector out of the 30br because this is my varmint for score rifle and i do not need to shoot fast with this rifle. I have another Lawton 7500 on my f-class rifle chambered in 6mmdasher. This rifle is also set up the same way. Bottom line is, i dont care for the plunger sticking out past the bolt face. Like i said maybe it doesnt matter, but in my mind it cant help. Before i bought these two Lawton 7500 i read somewhere that a fella was having the same trouble and he changed the angle on the extractor, so it held on to the cases longer. I cant find were i read that. I was hoping someone would respond.
I know fellas i ask to many questions. I am just plain ate up with all this and i truly enjoy this sport. I would give any one of you the shirt off my back if you needed it. i truly would. I will do my best not to ask so many question from now on. Shooting and rifles is all i want to think about, and i havent been able to shoot here lately, as the weather is crap. I am stuck in the basement and you guys are all i have. LOL!!! I like you guys and i enjoy talking with and reading what you have to say. I hope to meet most of you in the years to come. I am a likable fella, but i am just a big old kid at heart!!! I thought this would make for a good read and i hoped to gain some knowledge out of it. The 30BR is staying the way it is (without an ejector) but i was hoping to have my dasher modified a bit, to see if i could get some of the spring pressure off of the case. Thanks Lee
another thing i forgott to add, is that my smith would be more than happy to play around with the extractor, but he would need the hole rifle. the shipping would be about 70 bucks round trip. I was hoping some smith here would know exactly what to do, and i could just send my bolt. Again sorry fellas. i do mean well!!
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Pete Wass
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On ejector pins:
I have struggled with having my custom action rifles eject properly for years. I was at wits end until I asked for help on BRC. A nice man told me to look at my ejector pins and make sure they did not extend past the bolt face and to carefully grind them until they wored properly. I made all 5 of my rifles eject properly in less than 30 minutes. Couldn't be easier. Don't obsess over being exact or what the finish looks like, the length is the important thing.
Also, if they throw the cases too far, carefully grind the spring under the pin a half coil at a time or even go with a lighter spring. It is possible to have whatever you want and it doesn't require a Smith to do it for you. These things aren't all that tough to do.
I have struggled with having my custom action rifles eject properly for years. I was at wits end until I asked for help on BRC. A nice man told me to look at my ejector pins and make sure they did not extend past the bolt face and to carefully grind them until they wored properly. I made all 5 of my rifles eject properly in less than 30 minutes. Couldn't be easier. Don't obsess over being exact or what the finish looks like, the length is the important thing.
Also, if they throw the cases too far, carefully grind the spring under the pin a half coil at a time or even go with a lighter spring. It is possible to have whatever you want and it doesn't require a Smith to do it for you. These things aren't all that tough to do.
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mwezell
Mike Ezell
I doubt that the ejector pressure is why you shot well but who knows? Sometimes it's what makes us feel confident that makes all the difference. I will say this though. Many times I'd like to be able to get 5 shots down range as fast as possible in VFS. I switched to a drop port action and love not having to pluck a case out of the gun. I've got a 7500 RBLPRE in the shop now. I'll look at what you're describing in the a.m.--Mike Ezell
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Thank you. without having the plunger past the bolt face the BR cases will fall of or out of the extractor. We had this issue on both of my actions. Even with the plunger out past the bolt face it just does eject the cases. Another thing i forgot to mention. When i first got my action i took it with me to a shoot so the fellas could check it out. A couple of the older fellas said that the plunger would be the first to go, it it were theirs. Maybe this has stuck in my mind, and it is nothing but a mental thing. On the other hand, it wasnt designed to be this way, so it shouldnt half to be. I know i remember reading some where that a fella had this very issue and he changed the angle of the extractor, and all was well. I was just hoping someone could help. thanks Lee
Pete Wass
Well-known member
Extractor:
What does the bolt have for an extractor; where is it located? I found with the sliding plates on the lug the cases will often come loose because they are thrused into the bolt lug chanel. A Sako extractor is the solution for this. The Sako extractor will hold the case in the bolt face until it is positioned at the ejection port.
Also of note: at least one maker dishes out their bolt face by 12 or 13 thou to hold the case until the ejection port is felt by the case.
What does the bolt have for an extractor; where is it located? I found with the sliding plates on the lug the cases will often come loose because they are thrused into the bolt lug chanel. A Sako extractor is the solution for this. The Sako extractor will hold the case in the bolt face until it is positioned at the ejection port.
Also of note: at least one maker dishes out their bolt face by 12 or 13 thou to hold the case until the ejection port is felt by the case.
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mwezell
Mike Ezell
Lee
The 7500 bolt(br bolt face) I have here is like yours. It extracts and ejects the 30BR and 30 Major(ppc rim dia.)both fine. The extractor protrudes a bit past the bolt nose but I didn't check to see how much. I can see how and why you may have a problem but this one does not. The short case, when it clears the chamber is at a pretty steep angle when it contacts the receiver in the lug recess. Making the extractor "longer" keeps tension on the case longer. The threads go well into the recess and the case neck drags across the on the way out. They could be knocking the case out of the extractor on yours. From what I see, you have done what I would likely do to fix the problem. I wouldn't consider that a major issue if that's all it takes to make it work. As was said earlier, you can adjust how hard it throws them by clipping the ejector spring a little at a time. This one is just about perfect as is. If you do that, it may make the problem of droping the case worse. You'll just have to try it and see.---Mike Ezell
The 7500 bolt(br bolt face) I have here is like yours. It extracts and ejects the 30BR and 30 Major(ppc rim dia.)both fine. The extractor protrudes a bit past the bolt nose but I didn't check to see how much. I can see how and why you may have a problem but this one does not. The short case, when it clears the chamber is at a pretty steep angle when it contacts the receiver in the lug recess. Making the extractor "longer" keeps tension on the case longer. The threads go well into the recess and the case neck drags across the on the way out. They could be knocking the case out of the extractor on yours. From what I see, you have done what I would likely do to fix the problem. I wouldn't consider that a major issue if that's all it takes to make it work. As was said earlier, you can adjust how hard it throws them by clipping the ejector spring a little at a time. This one is just about perfect as is. If you do that, it may make the problem of droping the case worse. You'll just have to try it and see.---Mike Ezell
so i guess what i would like to know is if the pressure the ejector is placing on the case when all locked up and ready to shoot is an issue even in the least? does the pressure from the ejector cock the case in the chamber at all? I can leave the ejector spring out of this action and set the ejector flush with the bolt face if i need to. this is my varmint for score rifle and i do not need to shoot fast.
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themachinest
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Lawton actions.
I would be happy to take a look at your action and see what I can do for you. I am quite familiar with the Lawton actions.
Scott
I would be happy to take a look at your action and see what I can do for you. I am quite familiar with the Lawton actions.
Scott