Gene Beggs
Active member
Congratulations to the officers and board members of IBS for approving the use of tuners in IBS sanctioned competition. Well done gentlemen!
Sincerely,
Gene Beggs
Sincerely,
Gene Beggs
IBS & Tuners
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David Apple
Member
In reality
Thanks should go to Wayne Shaw who proposed this agenda item and got the needed signatures to submit the proposal. The officers had little to do with the passing of this measure as the members present dictate whether a proposal gets passed in the IBS.
In addition, the proposal to hold 7 minute matches in Score passed and the proposal to allow clubs, if they choose, to hold LV aggs separate from HV passed. Now Score shooting can offer LV agg matches, or HV, or both. WOW. Score shooting moves out from the shadows and is no longer the bastard stepchild.
Thanks should go to Wayne Shaw who proposed this agenda item and got the needed signatures to submit the proposal. The officers had little to do with the passing of this measure as the members present dictate whether a proposal gets passed in the IBS.
In addition, the proposal to hold 7 minute matches in Score passed and the proposal to allow clubs, if they choose, to hold LV aggs separate from HV passed. Now Score shooting can offer LV agg matches, or HV, or both. WOW. Score shooting moves out from the shadows and is no longer the bastard stepchild.
steve stanley
Well-known member
It's a good thing I didn't bet on this or I would have lost my arse, I signed the petition for all of these but I never thought they would pass. I think these are all good moves and hope they work out this season. Thanks to Shaw and all the rest that did the heavy lifting on these proposals. looking forward to the season. Steve
David is correct. A pretty good majority of the members present at the meeting yesterday voted yes to allow the use of tuners. Wayne is the one who got the ball rolling on this and a big thanks to him is in order. The other two items Dave mentioned passed easily as well. It will be the ranges who decide if they wish to hold 7 minute matches and it they want to hold "two gun" tounaments in VFS. Some ranges have been running 7 minute matches for some time now, but the catch has been that if one shooter wanted his ten minutes, then by rule he should get it. Now so long as the range gives one months notice that the matches will run seven minutes, then they will be seven minutes. In regard to a separate LVS class, I feel this is a step in the right direction also. I don't know that many ranges will adopt this kind of shoot, but it does leave the door open for them to do so. I may not be in the majority here, but I feel that if I have to drive several hours to get to a match, I want the most bang for my buck. 2 guns is better than one.
Can someone enlighten me to the "selling point" for adding an LV class. VFS has always included HV and LV weight rifles and anyone is free to shoot as many rifles as they want. Several guys at our matches regularly shoot LV and HV guns in VFS. Seems like another opportunity (like Hunter and Varmint Hunter in our area) for there to be two or three guns in a class.
I don't see anything in the ruling that makes this the "6 PPC class" so, I guess, I really don't see what it accomplishes. Last year you could shoot an HV and an LV at and IBS match, and this year you can, too. What am I missing?
I don't see anything in the ruling that makes this the "6 PPC class" so, I guess, I really don't see what it accomplishes. Last year you could shoot an HV and an LV at and IBS match, and this year you can, too. What am I missing?
Wayne Shaw
Active member
I didn't come up with the wording all by my lonesome. I sent out drafts to several folks that contributed to the final wording. I just couldn't stand to see some shooters using a tuner, and the IBS not having the same opportunity to play with one too.
It's a way to try something new. From the posts on this forum of late with regard to tuners, there is a lot of interest in trying one.
It's a way to try something new. From the posts on this forum of late with regard to tuners, there is a lot of interest in trying one.
Hi Reed. I like the idea of a seperate LVfS class. It will give the people and clubs choices based on regional situations. It may also offer shooters that don't want to use a .30 a better venue for shooting the 6's, 22's. etc. than lining up against the 13.5 lb. 30's....though a good shooting 6PPC steered by a good driver is darn, darn hard to beat no matter how many .30's there are in the field.
'Terrible' Terry Meyer routinely beats the dog snot out of us .30 cal. shooters out here in 'Fly Over' country...at times winning the Score Two Gun with a 6PPC chambered 10.5 lb. VfS gun and a 6PPC Varmint Hunter 6 Power combo.
The man is brutal on us..no mercy. And we love seeing him work his magic with those PPC's. Thanks to all those that worked so hard on these changes. -Al
Pete Wass
Well-known member
It is believed Reed - - -
By some that there is a significant mumber of folks who do not shoot 30 cal rifles and who own LV 6's who would come to shoot if they didn't have to compete against the HV 30's.
I guess one can look at it this way; there are a lot of group shooters who shoot only a Sporter in all the clasifications. Apparently there may be some of them who would like to shoot score once in awhile and there are those who are so "Brand Concious" who won't shoot anything but a 6PPC and or think they can't shoot anything but a 6 PPC.
I fully expect this camel, who's nose is firmly under the tent now to ask for and get a limit of 6 MM in LVS next year. I think a lot will depend on those who claim to be staying away because of the 30 domination of VFS.
Personally, I feel if this is what a segment of those who participate want, why not let them have it ? It is most unfortunate that 6 power numbers continue to decline and I hope the classes do not go extinct. I do feel that nobody today gets Cheap wins, regardless of how many people participate in a class and any club should never allow a single competitor compete alone in any of the classes.
There is a lot of concern about Precision Rifleman points but for many of us, there is only one oportunity per year to earn any and for many more, there is or will not be any oportunity to gain any. I don't disparidge the program but for those who live outside the "HUB' of Score shooting; they will never live long enough to get a jacket. I don't personally feel that this particular award should preclude all other efforts to make the sport grow.
By some that there is a significant mumber of folks who do not shoot 30 cal rifles and who own LV 6's who would come to shoot if they didn't have to compete against the HV 30's.
I guess one can look at it this way; there are a lot of group shooters who shoot only a Sporter in all the clasifications. Apparently there may be some of them who would like to shoot score once in awhile and there are those who are so "Brand Concious" who won't shoot anything but a 6PPC and or think they can't shoot anything but a 6 PPC.
I fully expect this camel, who's nose is firmly under the tent now to ask for and get a limit of 6 MM in LVS next year. I think a lot will depend on those who claim to be staying away because of the 30 domination of VFS.
Personally, I feel if this is what a segment of those who participate want, why not let them have it ? It is most unfortunate that 6 power numbers continue to decline and I hope the classes do not go extinct. I do feel that nobody today gets Cheap wins, regardless of how many people participate in a class and any club should never allow a single competitor compete alone in any of the classes.
There is a lot of concern about Precision Rifleman points but for many of us, there is only one oportunity per year to earn any and for many more, there is or will not be any oportunity to gain any. I don't disparidge the program but for those who live outside the "HUB' of Score shooting; they will never live long enough to get a jacket. I don't personally feel that this particular award should preclude all other efforts to make the sport grow.
jackie schmidt
New member
Reed
I guess it gives an opportunity for shooters to garner more wood. As it is now, while they shoot for separate records, the Rifles are actually competing for the same prize on that given day.
Of course, it could evolve the way it has in group shooting, where if there were actual Two Gun Events based on the LV-HV Format, then the vast majority of shooters would just opt to build a LV and shoot it twice. Sort of what we have in LV-Sporter at this time.
I personally think that the IBS would be going in the wrong direction if they decided to place a caliber limit on any class. In this case, it would be a "smaller" caliber so as to give the 6mm and 22's a chance.
Every time a Sanctioning Body does this, you end up with a result that is counterproductive.
Everybody knows the rules. They know what it takes to win. Build whatever will give you the best chance. If the IBS decides to institute the LV as a true class for Two Gun Competition, if a shooter feels like a 6mm would be best go for it.
Then there is always the 30PPC........jackie
I guess it gives an opportunity for shooters to garner more wood. As it is now, while they shoot for separate records, the Rifles are actually competing for the same prize on that given day.
Of course, it could evolve the way it has in group shooting, where if there were actual Two Gun Events based on the LV-HV Format, then the vast majority of shooters would just opt to build a LV and shoot it twice. Sort of what we have in LV-Sporter at this time.
I personally think that the IBS would be going in the wrong direction if they decided to place a caliber limit on any class. In this case, it would be a "smaller" caliber so as to give the 6mm and 22's a chance.
Every time a Sanctioning Body does this, you end up with a result that is counterproductive.
Everybody knows the rules. They know what it takes to win. Build whatever will give you the best chance. If the IBS decides to institute the LV as a true class for Two Gun Competition, if a shooter feels like a 6mm would be best go for it.
Then there is always the 30PPC........jackie
Pete Wass
Well-known member
JAckie, As mentioned earlier - -
IBS is run by it's membership vote at the annual meeting for things except for "Safety Issues" which might crop up. If the membership wants to restict a class to any given caliber, they can by majority vote at the annusl meeting.
Not unlike the tuner issue, which was soundly defeated last year, things evolve to be popular. Not everyone has the ability financially or otherwise own multiple guns and have unlimited options with regard to equipment; unfortunate but a reality. If enough of them want their own arena to compete in, why not let them have it? The numbers will tell the story and I am with you, there needs to be more combinations of aggrigates and different ways to get people all to the dance and then enable them to dance once they have arrived.
IBS is run by it's membership vote at the annual meeting for things except for "Safety Issues" which might crop up. If the membership wants to restict a class to any given caliber, they can by majority vote at the annusl meeting.
Not unlike the tuner issue, which was soundly defeated last year, things evolve to be popular. Not everyone has the ability financially or otherwise own multiple guns and have unlimited options with regard to equipment; unfortunate but a reality. If enough of them want their own arena to compete in, why not let them have it? The numbers will tell the story and I am with you, there needs to be more combinations of aggrigates and different ways to get people all to the dance and then enable them to dance once they have arrived.
Joe Entrekin
New member
I think Wayne Shaw deserves most of the credit for getting the tuner rule approved. It was by his efforts that a plausible, detailed rule was composed and presented. Previously, the tuner proposals were so nebulous and vague that it would have been foolish to have approved them. Personally, I have been supportive of the tuner all along, but only if a good, detailed proposal was submitted. Even with this well developed idea, we will probably find things about it that need to be tweaked in the future. I hope that the folks that want to experiment with tuners can help all of us learn some more about improving on extreme accuracy, that certainly seems to be the case in NBRSA. And, after all, that's what we're supposed to be all about, right?
JerrySharrett
Senile Member
jackie schmidt
New member
Wayne
Thanks for you efforts and dedication in resolving the tuner issue with the IBS.
I may be overstepping my bounds a little, but I can see Registered IBS Varmint for Score Matches at Tomball Texas in the future........jackie
Thanks for you efforts and dedication in resolving the tuner issue with the IBS.
I may be overstepping my bounds a little, but I can see Registered IBS Varmint for Score Matches at Tomball Texas in the future........jackie
Joe Entrekin
New member
Score shooting, particularly VFS, has really grown over the last few years. I think I am correct in saying that growth has been in the mid-teens percent increase for the past 5 or so years. To me, the apeal of score shooting over group has been that it's a relatively laid back, relaxing day of shooting, which I find much more recreational than the grind of a weekend of group shooting.
Wayne Shaw
Active member
Jackie, I have thought all along that once a score shoot was tried by some of you, it would catch on. There is no question that is easier to hold the matches, due to the lack of moving backers. Also, I think you will realize it is just as challenging as group, different but still challenging.
David Apple
Member
And.....
Jackie,
and while you are shooting score you can have a 7 minute match AND you can...if the club chooses to, hold a LV match in the morning and a HV in the afternoon. Now doesn't that give you a nicewarm feelin' all over????
Jackie,
and while you are shooting score you can have a 7 minute match AND you can...if the club chooses to, hold a LV match in the morning and a HV in the afternoon. Now doesn't that give you a nicewarm feelin' all over????