I love you Mike!...
Per Mike Marcelli...
"Seriously, if you don't like the reports, if they are too non-scientific for your tender sensibilities, if you think we are all to dumb to objectively explore this subject, why don't you get off your dead ass, define some experiments, order the required equipment and obtain your own results. But, if you are not going to offer anything constructive, do us a favor and keep you pie hole shut."
And what was it you offered constructively? Oh, you called me an as****, I guess that's constructive! I simply summarized what Wilbur and others wrote.If you can't see that then I can't help you!
Wilbur said:The groups at the new setting were still vertical but smaller. Another 1/8th turn and the vertical vanished for practical purposes. We then removed the tuner and the rifle fired three groups straight without vertical.
I said:Tuners will remove vertical....but not always.
Wilbur said:When the tuner was removed, the groups were vertical. Gene stated, and I agreed, that the vertical could be tuned out with the load. Right there I made an assumption that I didn't need to see the other rifle fall from tune to conclude that a tuner can be useful. That assumption may or may not be flawed but I think for now that "not flawed" is the case
I said:Tuners work on all rifles...but not always.
Shelly Davidson said:The tuner body must be 100% locked to the barrel. I don't even feel that a jam nut, on the barrel, behind the tuner is really sufficient. And I also don't like pinch screws. I feel like a tuner body need to lock firmly, at the muzzle, to work well.
I said: Locking down the tuner parts helps...but not always.
Wilbur said:Gene had the "add weight till it works" tuner on the rifle with one of six washers installed. The washers weighed about 2.6 ounces each (see attached picture). We shot groups and added washers along the way. The rifle grouped poorly across the entire effort.
I said:Making an adjustment in the tuner will affect group size...but not always.
Wilbur said:Rifles do exist that refuse to drop out of tune but we have all seen rifles setting the world on fire just before they hit the wall - out of tune for the lack of an alternate explanation.
I said:Some rifles shoot better than others...but not always.
I may have read something wrong in what's being posted here, but at least I AM reading it - which is more than some of the rest of you out there are doing! ---- 4Mesh is right!
Per Mike Marcelli...
"Seriously, if you don't like the reports, if they are too non-scientific for your tender sensibilities, if you think we are all to dumb to objectively explore this subject, why don't you get off your dead ass, define some experiments, order the required equipment and obtain your own results. But, if you are not going to offer anything constructive, do us a favor and keep you pie hole shut."
And what was it you offered constructively? Oh, you called me an as****, I guess that's constructive! I simply summarized what Wilbur and others wrote.If you can't see that then I can't help you!
Wilbur said:The groups at the new setting were still vertical but smaller. Another 1/8th turn and the vertical vanished for practical purposes. We then removed the tuner and the rifle fired three groups straight without vertical.
I said:Tuners will remove vertical....but not always.
Wilbur said:When the tuner was removed, the groups were vertical. Gene stated, and I agreed, that the vertical could be tuned out with the load. Right there I made an assumption that I didn't need to see the other rifle fall from tune to conclude that a tuner can be useful. That assumption may or may not be flawed but I think for now that "not flawed" is the case
I said:Tuners work on all rifles...but not always.
Shelly Davidson said:The tuner body must be 100% locked to the barrel. I don't even feel that a jam nut, on the barrel, behind the tuner is really sufficient. And I also don't like pinch screws. I feel like a tuner body need to lock firmly, at the muzzle, to work well.
I said: Locking down the tuner parts helps...but not always.
Wilbur said:Gene had the "add weight till it works" tuner on the rifle with one of six washers installed. The washers weighed about 2.6 ounces each (see attached picture). We shot groups and added washers along the way. The rifle grouped poorly across the entire effort.
I said:Making an adjustment in the tuner will affect group size...but not always.
Wilbur said:Rifles do exist that refuse to drop out of tune but we have all seen rifles setting the world on fire just before they hit the wall - out of tune for the lack of an alternate explanation.
I said:Some rifles shoot better than others...but not always.
I may have read something wrong in what's being posted here, but at least I AM reading it - which is more than some of the rest of you out there are doing! ---- 4Mesh is right!
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