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J Conley
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Thanks Eric..
Not in...
Not in a 30BR. But I've tried the Berger 135gr, 30 cal, flat base bullets in my 30HBR and they shoot at the same point of aim and group size as the BIB 30 cal, 10 og, 136gr bullets I normally use. No load or sight adjustment necessary. Still use the BIB's, but it's nice to know I have a backup choice...just in case.
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Not in a 30BR. But I've tried the Berger 135gr, 30 cal, flat base bullets in my 30HBR and they shoot at the same point of aim and group size as the BIB 30 cal, 10 og, 136gr bullets I normally use. No load or sight adjustment necessary. Still use the BIB's, but it's nice to know I have a backup choice...just in case.
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Pete Wass
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Speer
They made a few last year for a project. They are nice bullets. They are machine made. Speer makes their own jackets so my contact there chose a good lot of jackets to make the bullets on. The first 100 he sent me measured exactly the same, all of them, in the bearing surface. I have yet to find any hand made bullets to do this. They are only 308 at the base but they shoot well, all the same.
From my experience, all the bullets I have measured the bearing surface length on will all shoot just fine if they are segregated. From my experience it is seating depth that determines the performance of a loaded round, pretty much and from my experience, it doesn't take more than .003 to make a clover leaf out of a round hole.
They made a few last year for a project. They are nice bullets. They are machine made. Speer makes their own jackets so my contact there chose a good lot of jackets to make the bullets on. The first 100 he sent me measured exactly the same, all of them, in the bearing surface. I have yet to find any hand made bullets to do this. They are only 308 at the base but they shoot well, all the same.
From my experience, all the bullets I have measured the bearing surface length on will all shoot just fine if they are segregated. From my experience it is seating depth that determines the performance of a loaded round, pretty much and from my experience, it doesn't take more than .003 to make a clover leaf out of a round hole.
Eric, really, my mind isn't closed. I probably didn't write clearly enough. As to the consistency difference in the long-range bullets, I believe this is in large measure due to the design, not manufacturing technique. I tried to indicate we were comparing apples with oranges, but failed, I guess.
The rest is just a matter of enough testing, or enough wins, to overcome some particular mindset. Those mindsets may be proven right or wrong. But the internet is full of them, mine, yours, Pete Wass' and a host of people. For example one of the few things I share with Tony Boyer is not measuring the bearing surface of bullets I shoot in a match, at least for short range, because I (we?) don't think it matters.
Someday, very probably, I believe it will be technically possible to make machine-made bullets that are equal to or superior to hand-made bullets. Dunno if it will be economically possible, but I'll bet if we can figure out how, we can also figure out affordable. I don't even say we aren't there now, with Berger bullets, I just say not yet proven -- and I could be wrong, it sure wouldn't be the first time.
We are all better off that you & Walt Berger believe that machine-made bullets can be as good, simply becasue if you didn't, you wouldn't try, and if you don't try, we'll never get there.
Good luck to you, and all the best.
The rest is just a matter of enough testing, or enough wins, to overcome some particular mindset. Those mindsets may be proven right or wrong. But the internet is full of them, mine, yours, Pete Wass' and a host of people. For example one of the few things I share with Tony Boyer is not measuring the bearing surface of bullets I shoot in a match, at least for short range, because I (we?) don't think it matters.
Someday, very probably, I believe it will be technically possible to make machine-made bullets that are equal to or superior to hand-made bullets. Dunno if it will be economically possible, but I'll bet if we can figure out how, we can also figure out affordable. I don't even say we aren't there now, with Berger bullets, I just say not yet proven -- and I could be wrong, it sure wouldn't be the first time.
We are all better off that you & Walt Berger believe that machine-made bullets can be as good, simply becasue if you didn't, you wouldn't try, and if you don't try, we'll never get there.
Good luck to you, and all the best.