Free recoil won't work

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Higbean

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I put together an Annie 54 in a Stith 250 stock. Its bedded well, rides in a Fudd top and Protektor rabbit ears with baby powder and is topped with a Weaver T-36. I have tried everything to get this rifle to shoot good with free recoil, but it just wants to bump into my shoulder. Problem is getting it to hit my shoulder the same every time. I have decided to try a heavier grip on the gun and it seems to be helping, but I sure would like to get me out of the equation. Do some guns just not like free recoil? Why would it shoot better when being stopped by my shoulder?
 
You might try pulling the trigger with your left hand (if you're right handed) and not having your shoulder behind the stock at all. It works for me with a few of my guns.
 
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Have you tried tighting the rest up just a little so it doesn't slide so much? most rimfires I've seen don't recoil that much. But sometimes a rifle wants to be held.
MHO
Larry
 
free recoil one p. rest

Contact concho bill. He might help you build a one peice rest out of wood.
I also have the same gun and stock. We at the san angelo gun club
built one peice rest out of wood with the help of bill. We have hoehn delren rest on frount and delren rear guides. It has helped our scores 100%.
Boer bok
 
Boy, I'd like to know about building a wood rest. My buddy has a damn nice wood shop. Thanks, Douglas
 
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If it can be made of metal, it can be copied in wood. In BR-50 days I built a Pappas style rest, used Walnut and Oak.Only the post and top were bought all of the other parts were wood. Because I relied on friction to keep any slack out of any movement tolerances were not as critical Build a good hardwood base and put a good top on it. Pappas will sell the top and post.
 
Douglas

Douglas, Pokerplayer is right, I do sell just the top. You would qualify for a contingency fee in the PSL with a top. James
 
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James, you should see my face right now, I have a very big grin on it and I actually had a good laugh. I still have that barrel, would you be interested in a trade? Thanks, Douglas

If we (my buddy with the shop) do go into mass production of wooden Rome/Pappas (you sell me the tops) one piece rests, there would be no contingencies, it would be balls-out no strings attached.
 
As a side note I originally built, out of Walnut a front recoiling rest top. very simple design worked great as both windage and elevation moved independent of each other. the rifle had a 3/4 hard wood dowel that went into a 3/4 brass bushing and the butsock had a 3/4 ball that fit into a v-slot. worked great gave it to a man who wanted to use the design and made himself and me one out of aluminum. It never worked as well as the wood, I think the wood dampened the vibration, and because of the lack of friction dampers it never panned out. Wish I had the wooden one back.
 
Douglas

Douglas said:
James, you should see my face right now, I have a very big grin on it and I actually had a good laugh. I still have that barrel, would you be interested in a trade? Thanks, Douglas

If we (my buddy with the shop) do go into mass production of wooden Rome/Pappas (you sell me the tops) one piece rests, there would be no contingencies, it would be balls-out no strings attached.
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Thanks for the offer of the barrel but I will pass. I have quite a few barrels at this time. I need a rifle and barrel that doesn't require much input from me to shoot 100's.
 
A Pappas rest is forever.

A wood rest will work just fine. I have no doubt that you can get the same scores from a well designed and well built wood rest as you can get from the best metal rest. That being said, I shoot off a Pappas rest and it is well worth the money. It is a work of art and a joy to own.

Concho Bill

Buy the Pappas top now and the base latter
 
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It won't surprise anyone that I have the same rifle/ stock combo as Hig. Mine prefers free recoil. The only part of the rifle I touch is the tip of my left index finger to the lower half of the trigger.
Make sure your face is not touching the comb. Hall's off set bases help with that.
Position the rear bag on the rear half of the butt stock. I have found that a little weight in the rifle butt helps. I do that by casting a butt plate from tin. Adds about 7 oz.. Slide the rests foreend stop close to the front bag. The only way I can see for the stock to bump your shoulder is if you are shooting sharply uphill. Maybe there is something I don't understand. I find that The Fudd rest works best if it is fairly tight against the side of the stock
Don
 
Thanks for advice Boer Bok, Lead Head, Bo Hunk and Don. I will give your ideas a try.

Don, would you sell me a couple of tin butt plates?
 
free recoil

AGAIN I HAVE THE SAME SETUP YOU DO. I FOR GOT TO SAY I HAVE
DRILED TWO I IN. holes in my stock 41/2 deep ,cast lead ingets 1 IN. dia.
and made a lead butt plate. about 4or SO LBS. TOTAL THIS IS TO HOld HER DOWN IN REAR. I FOUND OUT THIS IS WHAT IT TOOK TO BALLANCE MY ANNIE
boer
 
I'll make them for free if you send me the tin.
I ran out and have not found a good source. Lead has to be too hot to pour good in a wooden mold. Tin stays shiny longer.
Don
 
Today, as a test I took my brand new Stith 250 stock holding an Anschutz 54 with tuner and noodle and tried it "free recoil". Worked like a charm. Mine is very muzzle heavy and I will likely put some weight in the back end but with the front rest stop all the way back it stays on the rear bag. I'm not a fan of not touching the gun...I like some cheek weld and I push down with my trigger hand thumb. I'm gonna have to play some with it and see what it likes better, or I like better. bob fingerl
 
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who made that comment about if r/h to pull the trigger with you left. i wnt out and tried it and i am seeing an improvement in my shooting. my target 62 yards and finally getting quite a few touching bullet holes.

thanks so very much and how did you come up with thing. i have a serious eye problem right now with cataracts on both eyes it must be helping with my focus. i do cover up one eye.

bob
 
One place we shoot has shaky benches. We started shooting with left finger to avoid any contact with bench. It also helps me watch wind flags. I do not look thru scope when touching off shot. Just get set up with aim for prevailing condition. Set looking straight at flags and touch the trigger when wind is what you set up for. I actually learned that from a 9 year old kid who shot standing up beside the bench. Too dumb to invent anything, so learn from watching others
Don
 
Monkey See

Don:
If you've ever watched my wife shoot, that's the way she's done it for 10 years. I had to switch from right to left 20 years ago, and that's what I do as well. Still can't break the habit of looking thur the scope each shot, so that's why she shoots better than me.
 
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so are you telling me once you get your bags set and tighten the rifle up and you have your dot on the target that s it bang. so don go through your hold and the whole bit im hard headed and need all the help i can get.

bob

im stupid i dont get it
 
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