Dusty Stevens
Hollow Point Dispenser
Just powder and paper towel is good- COW is bad. It will mess you up in some way every time.
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I have a Hornady
Hydraulic die that works fine in a Rockchucker or the old Lyman that we modified. Lonny H. made mine so that it works with unturned brass. I then full length size the body and fire it in a dedicated no turn chamber. Don't remember what powder it was, (just have it in a jar with the instructions).Powder, cream of wheat and a spud plug. Nice square case in a chamber made with my reamer. Did lots and lots of em without loosing a case. Some fellers around here turn the neck to the required thickness down to the case/shoulder junction on unformed brass. Use load couple grains short what they normally shoot when tuned. Enough neck tension to hold the bullet against the lead. Bang. Takes them two times. They loose some but not many. Wish my die was set up for turned necks as the long turn totally eliminated the donuts. I shoot a 269 neck since Lapua changed their brass. Don't but take a little off when I turn anyhow. I do not know if going to 262 would be problematic or not.
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Hydraulic die that works fine in a Rockchucker or the old Lyman that we modified. Lonny H. made mine so that it works with unturned brass. I then full length size the body and fire it in a dedicated no turn chamber. Don't remember what powder it was, (just have it in a jar with the instructions).Powder, cream of wheat and a spud plug. Nice square case in a chamber made with my reamer. Did lots and lots of em without loosing a case. Some fellers around here turn the neck to the required thickness down to the case/shoulder junction on unformed brass. Use load couple grains short what they normally shoot when tuned. Enough neck tension to hold the bullet against the lead. Bang. Takes them two times. They loose some but not many. Wish my die was set up for turned necks as the long turn totally eliminated the donuts. I shoot a 269 neck since Lapua changed their brass. Don't but take a little off when I turn anyhow. I do not know if going to 262 would be problematic or not.
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Dusty Stevens
Hollow Point Dispenser
That's what I was planning, then I started reading more. There are so many guys solidly on one side of the fence or the other it's impossible to figure out which way is best. I'll start simple with a hard jam and go from there if need be.
Thanks!
If one is not overly concerned to the consistency from one formed case to the the next, about any method and process will work.
If we are after consistent volumes, then we need to pay attention to process error, take procedure care, and pay close attention to blow dimensions.
For instance, say you fire-form 3 cases with what ever method, and say all 3 started out at 1.555" give or take prior to forming.
After forming they "blew" to say .010" variance at say 1.538, 1.543, and 1.548.
What do we end up with for a final product?
My answer and from my own experience, they will be inconsistent to each other by volume, and will not grow consistently to each other in the future cycles.
Where the short one at 1.438" will have less capacity and will be sluggish to growth (neck) and hardly grow any longer.
The 1.543" middle blow length case will have the medium capacity and will out grow the shorter sluggish case, and may catch up to the longer 1.548" case, but maybe not.
The longest 1.548" will hold the most and will continue to grow in length a few more thousands before it settles down.
Barrel heat, chamber fouling, to hot of load, to light of load, etc., etc., are the causes to such inconsistent blow lengths, hence volume inconsistencies.
Personally, I strive for blow lengths of 1.545" to 1.550" and strive for consistencies of sub-.005" spread in blow lengths (.004" ES better yet).
If they end up blowing shorter, as long as they all do to a consistent length to each other, is fine, but they will act on the "sluggish" side to neck growth.
If they blow longer, again fine as long as they all blow long and to consistent blow lengths of each other.
My 2-Cents for 6Dasher's from Lapua brass
Donovan
If we are after consistent volumes, then we need to pay attention to process error, take procedure care, and pay close attention to blow dimensions.
For instance, say you fire-form 3 cases with what ever method, and say all 3 started out at 1.555" give or take prior to forming.
After forming they "blew" to say .010" variance at say 1.538, 1.543, and 1.548.
What do we end up with for a final product?
My answer and from my own experience, they will be inconsistent to each other by volume, and will not grow consistently to each other in the future cycles.
Where the short one at 1.438" will have less capacity and will be sluggish to growth (neck) and hardly grow any longer.
The 1.543" middle blow length case will have the medium capacity and will out grow the shorter sluggish case, and may catch up to the longer 1.548" case, but maybe not.
The longest 1.548" will hold the most and will continue to grow in length a few more thousands before it settles down.
Barrel heat, chamber fouling, to hot of load, to light of load, etc., etc., are the causes to such inconsistent blow lengths, hence volume inconsistencies.
Personally, I strive for blow lengths of 1.545" to 1.550" and strive for consistencies of sub-.005" spread in blow lengths (.004" ES better yet).
If they end up blowing shorter, as long as they all do to a consistent length to each other, is fine, but they will act on the "sluggish" side to neck growth.
If they blow longer, again fine as long as they all blow long and to consistent blow lengths of each other.
My 2-Cents for 6Dasher's from Lapua brass
Donovan
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My method with the hydraulic
die yields perfect cases. Every now and again I will get a wonky case. Chuck it in the bin and proceed. I have custom dies that match my reamer. I also have several ways to measure cases. My cases all measure and perform (I guess) as well as can be expected. I shoot pretty small and get wood sometimes. I have cases that are busted seven or eight times, annealed, shot again and all measured good. I monitor my neck tension, case size at every loading. When I do not shoot well I do NOT blame my brass. Never thought about the false shoulder yielding a better(less crooked) case than the jammed bullet attack. 'course Al makes more sense to me than anyone else on this forum.
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die yields perfect cases. Every now and again I will get a wonky case. Chuck it in the bin and proceed. I have custom dies that match my reamer. I also have several ways to measure cases. My cases all measure and perform (I guess) as well as can be expected. I shoot pretty small and get wood sometimes. I have cases that are busted seven or eight times, annealed, shot again and all measured good. I monitor my neck tension, case size at every loading. When I do not shoot well I do NOT blame my brass. Never thought about the false shoulder yielding a better(less crooked) case than the jammed bullet attack. 'course Al makes more sense to me than anyone else on this forum.
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