Does this Sako extractor installtion on the 700 look like it was done correctly ?

[myshootinstinks]

I've personally never had a bit of trouble w/ the standard 700 extractor and doubt if I'd ever go to the trouble of altering one. I may buy the rifle in the picture but wanted to run it past some of you who are familiar with the conversion. I'm told it was done by Gander Mtn.

 

[Dennis Sorensen]

I've personally never had a bit of trouble w/ the standard 700 extractor and doubt if I'd ever go to the trouble of altering one. I may buy the rifle in the picture but wanted to run it past some of you who are familiar with the conversion. I'm told it was done by Gander Mtn.

It appears like the ejector was moved... which may assist in keeping the empties from hitting the scope. Has it been altered for a standard magnum case? It looks large. Personally I do not like the partial conversion to the Sako style extractor on a 700. If you ever have a catastrophic case failure it is no where as safe as the original extractor system.

 

[Wayne Shaw]

It appears to me the bolt was not centered when the milling cut was made. It may work OK, it may not.

 

[nhkuehl]

It appears to me the bolt was not centered when the milling cut was made. It may work OK, it may not.

I didn't know if that might be an optical illusion from the photo, but that's what I was seeing also and it looks like the edge of the extractor was filed to compensate(?) . - nhk

 

[jackie schmidt]

It is sure enough off center, but they are pretty forgiving. If it works is the important thing.
Is that just a shadow by the ejector pin, or did they plug the hole and move the plunger over, perhaps as was said, to change the way it counteracts with the case.

I won't re-hash it here, but I am in 100 percent agreement with Dennis concerning Sako Extractors in Remington 700 style actions.........jackie

 

[Jim Kobe]

I hope I am not sounding too harsh here but I doubt it was done by Gander Mtn; I don't think they have anyone with enough talent in the gunsmithing business to have done that conversion.

 

[Cheechako]

Just when you think the whole "Sako Extractor" thing has gone away, somebody screws one up like this guy apparantly did and it all comes back. Gives new fuel to the anti-SAKO side, and taints all of us do-it-yourself gunsmiths. If I had done that I would have buried it. I'd be embarrased to show it to my wife and she doesn't know a SAKO from a Seiko.

Ray

 

[myshootinstinks]

Well it sounds like I'd best pass on buying this particular rifle. It doesn't look right to me and It's an internet sale so I can't try it out before I buy it. Thanks all for your input. Doug

 

[huntinco]

I have several rifles with the Sako extractor on 700 action chambered in the 300 ultra mag, 7stw and 338 edege and I have also had 2 Rem extractors fail. But my question is why the Sako is not as safe? Thanks in advance

 

[alinwa]

I have several rifles with the Sako extractor on 700 action chambered in the 300 ultra mag, 7stw and 338 edege and I have also had 2 Rem extractors fail. But my question is why the Sako is not as safe? Thanks in advance

Ever had a casehead pop?

al

 

[Dennis Sorensen]

I have several rifles with the Sako extractor on 700 action chambered in the 300 ultra mag, 7stw and 338 edege and I have also had 2 Rem extractors fail. But my question is why the Sako is not as safe? Thanks in advance

The strength of the "3 rings of steel" Remington refer to in ads is the truth. The Remington 700 in it's unaltered state is the strongest, safest, mass produced bolt action made. When you cut into the bolt nose and mill a slot you negate the gas handling abilities the 700 was designed with and create a very unsafe action if you ever have a case failure.

The problem with installing a Sako extractor conversion is no one installs the complete Sako extractor system that Sako uses on their 2 lug actions. On the Sako 2 lug actions, what some refer to as a bolt guide is really there to deflect and partially contain escaping gases when there is a case failure.

This picture shows how well this 'bolt guide' works with a catastrophic case failure. You can see how well the 'bolt guide' worked.

The Sako extractor conversion on a 700 leaves the bolt body wide open and with a catastrophic case failure the extractor will become a projectile moving as fast as a bullet. There have been injuries and deaths associated with altered 700 actions and case failure.

 

[crb]

Would it help to shorten the nose of the Remington bolt when doing a Sako conversion? You could easily shorten the bolt nose .030" or more. This would allow more of the case to be supported by the chamber.

 

[nhkuehl]

Remington conversion

Would it help to shorten the nose of the Remington bolt when doing a Sako conversion? You could easily shorten the bolt nose .030" or more. This would allow more of the case to be supported by the chamber.

That wouldn't really solve the problem. If you look down the right side of a closed Rem 700 RH action with a Sako extractor installed you can see the extractor in the raceway when the bolt is closed. If you get a head failure the venting gas will take that route and blow the Sako extractor back out the raceway. If you shoot RH it probably won't hurt you, but if you were shooting LH it would end up in your face. The Sako extractor compromises the 3-ring design. What is needed is a baffle or deflector. Savage, which would be like a Remington without the bolt nose, uses a floating gas baffle behind the bolthead that blocks the raceway when the bolthead lugs are rotated into lockup. - nhk

 

[Dennis Sorensen]

Would it help to shorten the nose of the Remington bolt when doing a Sako conversion? You could easily shorten the bolt nose .030" or more. This would allow more of the case to be supported by the chamber.

I believe that was done when the conversion was done when the cartridge was the old weaker Russian case. I don't know that much about it back then...

But with modern high pressure cartridges this isn't a matter of more case being deeper within the chamber... it is a matter of breeching the potential seal the original design had. I have seen a .303 British shell fired in a 700 chambered for 7mm Rem Mag and the brass did not rupture, it fireformed to fit the bolt face and because there was no conventional extractor cut in the nose, the brass sealed the pressure and the bullet exited the barrel. There was no damage to the rifle. All due to the design of the 700 extractor system.

When brass is not supported it easily deforms and ruptures. Extractor cut outs as the Sako conversion done on 700 actions do not support brass. They create a severe weakness in the gas handling abilities of the 700.

 

[Jdh]

So what you all are essentially saying is that all the custom made actions like the Stiller, ect. that use a Sako style extractor are dangerous? Just wondering.

 

[pbike]

So what you all are essentially saying is that all the custom made actions like the Stiller, ect. that use a Sako style extractor are dangerous? Just wondering.

The Panda's we have and Stiller"s we have are the T slot type extractor, not Sako type. I am unaware of a Kelbly or a Stiller with a Sako extractor. The T slot extractor is held in the slot in the front of the lugs. At the near end of the slot is the brass, at the outside end of the slot is the threaded sleeve. As long as gap space its kept to a minimum, the extractor has little room to go anywhere, and the case is very well supported.

All i am saying is that the T slot is a Better type extractor than the Sako. But the three rings of Steel that Remington has was a great Idea. It's just not possible with a coned bolt for easy feeding like BR types prefer.

Paul

 

[Dennis Sorensen]

So what you all are essentially saying is that all the custom made actions like the Stiller, ect. that use a Sako style extractor are dangerous? Just wondering.

No.

What I said was it is a terrible thing to do the the worlds strongest, safest action completely compromising the design. I am not making any comments about any custom made actions.

 

[colchester]

Would an M-16 type ext that is pinned into the bolt body mitigate some of the safety concerns involved in this conversion. I have remmy bolt from a 308 rifle that I want to use for a 223 based cartridge, I was planning on bushing and installing a sako style ext. Im having second thoughts now

 

[mwezell]

No.

What I said was it is a terrible thing to do the the worlds strongest, safest action completely compromising the design. I am not making any comments about any custom made actions.

I have seen at least one Viper drop port with a Sako extractor instead of the newer Remington style. I don't know how many were that way. It was at the bottom of the bolt when open, like expected, and no groove for the Rem style. I don't remember if it was RBLP or RBRP.--Mike Ezell

 

[myshootinstinks]

Has anyone here ever actually had the standard 700 extractor fail? I sure haven't and am not convinced of any benefit to replacing it.