Am I reading the following quotes correctly???
"For the final time, nobody said one couldn't shoot great groups with less than premium brass. I've shot thousands of varmints and groups with less than premium brass".
"Can Remington brass shoot good groups? Of course it can as you have already stated".
"I would be satisfied that the particular load combination using the Remington brass outperformed the Lapua"
Fellows, fellows, fellows (and liars and distorters!) it now appears I have WON some of you over to my original contention!
The above quotes "PROVE" it!
Please check my original post to verify from wherest I am coming!
And this - I will publicly state that, of the hundreds (literally hundreds!) of reloaders, competition shooters, Hunters, Varminters and plinkers I know and have known - I have never heard of even ONE of them testing all the brands of brass available for their factory/hybrid Rifles to the extent of shooting 30 (thirty!) five shot groups with each brand of brass available!
Wearing out your barrel testing is not a very "intelligent" or prudent thing to do!
Never even heard of anyone doing the 30 groups with every load and every brand of brass available, not once! And I am certain it is less than 1/10th of 1 percent of all shooters who may have done so!
So sloughing off the credibility and results of the authors findings in his article in Handloader Magazine as somehow that the author did not test every load possible with every brass available is just simply ludicrous!
I know shooters can obtain excellent accuracy with less than premium brass - I know because I have done it!
I have seen countless other shooters do it and therefore as I originally expressed in my initial posting - I feel vindicated for my use of and my sometimes (up til now!) tepid support for less than premium brass to obtain accuracy!
Another factor that MUST come into play these days is the simple reality that premium brass is not available in ALL calibers that factory/hybrid Rifles can be obtained in!
What's a shooter to do if Norma or LaPua does not make brass for their caliber?
I know what "I" do.
I use less than premium brass and still obtain excellent accuracy!
And one of the posters laments the WHOLE concept of the long lived and fine magazine that the article was published in as "a rag" and "not worth reading"!!!
Well I don't agree with everything published in every magazine but blanket condemnation like that of such a fine magazine and one that has been around so long is just elitism and snobbishness run on to its "nth degree"!
And for those of you concerned about me and wondering where I have been - I have been on an extended foray of Varmint Hunting, shooting, guntrading and entertaining out of state guests from New Hampshire, Illinois, Washington and Louisiana.
Rain yesterday and today have halted the trigger fun but it is due to resume tomorrow with two shooters from Florida.
So far I have not seen one piece of "premium brass" fed into a factory/hybrid Rifle in the last week!
Some very long shots were made (these require accuracy!) on Varmints during this time!
Maybe some of you not yet convinced "premium brass only" types are saying to yourselves, "I just don't know how it could be done" but the proof is the distant and dead Varmints.
I say thank goodness for non-premium brass and how well it can shoot!
As proven by the article in question from the excellent magazine Handloader.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
PS: I am headed for my friends private range (complete with rain proof shooting shack!) this afternoon with a new Rifle I picked up a couple days ago its a Tikka T-3 in caliber 338 Federal. I have some Federal factory ammo to do barrel breakin with but do you guys think I should wait for Norma and LaPua to come out with 338 Federal brass before beginning my handload testing?
Or do you think I should buy some Norma 308 Winchester brass for $1.10 per piece or maybe buy some LaPua 308 Winchester brass for 62 cents per piece? (These prices do not include shipping and require large lot purchases from those "premium" brass suppliers!)
Or will I be able to obtain good accuracy with "non-premium" brass at a fraction of those brass costs?
I'll let you know.