Bore cleaning discoveries?

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WallyDog

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Having just purchased a Teslong bore snake and then using it on every barrel I had (13) I found that I wasn't getting the carbon out as well as I thought I was. So I broke out the ISSO and the JB Bore Paste and scrubbed the carbon out pretty darn quickly. Way more quickly than a brush and Hoppes did. An old Savage 112 BVSS in 220 Swift was carbon city from dog town safaris. Heat checked yes from maybe 700 rnds but not a bad throat overall. It was harder to get clean from copper and carbon fouling than all the others. I used Shooters Choice and also Sweets. The JB paste and maybe to a lesser degree ISSO cleaned faster than the chemical brews. What did you all discover about your cleaning routine after you could see the results better?

Wallydog
 
an actual CARBON CLEANER.
the best is long gone, gm TEC top engine cleaner.
outboard tec SEAFOAM is suppose to be good
Subaru made a tec
they all cost less than gun marketed products for the same job.
 
rsmithsr said:
an actual CARBON CLEANER.
the best is long gone, gm TEC top engine cleaner.
outboard tec SEAFOAM is suppose to be good
Subaru made a tec
they all cost less than gun marketed products for the same job.
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I still have about 15-18 cans of the original GM Tec engine cleaner. I mix up a gallon of my homade cleaner at a time. I use 8oz of white ammonia and 8oz of Kroil. A gallon at a time will last a while.
 
Bore tech carbon cleaner works pretty good.......
Yes, I saw the same thing. Whether Hawkeye or Teslong....
 
'Flitz" metal polish paste in the tube works faster than JB's or ISSO products.

Small to medium bore carbon removal is simple compared to VHP 50BMG bores.

If/when you attempt to clean a 50BMG bore by conventional means...tennis elbow will ensue prior to accomplishing the task.
 
Butch Lambert said:
I mix up a gallon of my homade cleaner at a time. I use 8oz of white ammonia and 8oz of Kroil. A gallon at a time will last a while.
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My math skills are not all that good but 8oz of white ammonia and 8oz of Kroil to me adds up to a pint not a gallon. or is there something else in this magic brew ?????
 
UncleB said:
My math skills are not all that good but 8oz of white ammonia and 8oz of Kroil to me adds up to a pint not a gallon. or is there something else in this magic brew ?????
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Hey Uncle! I add that to the GM Tec and make a gallon. I tried waving my hand over the ammonia and Kroil, but it didn't multiply.
 
1. I would suggest a dedicated copper and a dedicated carbon remover, for guns or otherwise.

2. As to weights and such, I am still scratching my head with machinists' terminology when they speak of two and not two one thousandth of an inch.

Fotheringill n/k/a Still Befuddled
 
Flitz

I've tried Carbon Killer, Carb Out, Wipe Out, CLR and a host of other heralded barrel cleaning products.

Like Dan, I've found Flitz to be the best for removing stubborn carbon.
 
Not yet but?

Fotheringill said:
Dumb Query for the Day---

Do you see a marked improvement on your target after removal of all carbon and copper?
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Its still too cold here in the Peoples Republic of Northern Illinois to get out and do any serious rifle work. I don't expect miracle level group improvements but rather I now know that my regular cleaning routine wasn't doing what I thought it was doing. Especially in regards to carbon build up in live varmint rifles. The example being a Savage 112 220 Swift that was never a great barrel from day 1. It shot 1/2" reluctantly and that with sub velocity loads. I will again crank it up to 4000 and see if its any better with less carbon in the barrel. For the BR guns Im going to go with Flitz after an aggregate and check with a borescope.
Wallydog
















peoples republic of Illinois
 
peoples republic of Illinois (Copied from just above)

Yes, especially Champaign...those college students must be really bad. On the other hand I bet many have gone home and are studying from there but loosing their room/board fees. I wonder if the colleges will have "meals on wheels/feet" to students rooms/?
 
Wallydog,

What I discovered after investing in a borescope was that a good copper solvent on a brass brush removes copper fouling quite well. Prior to this, I had read many that opined that brushes worked on powder fouling, and solvents worked on copper fouling, and that was it. You use solvent on a patch to chemically remove the copper fouling, typically letting it soak for a spell. And it will...eventually. But in my observations, copper removal is greatly expedited with the use of copper solvent on a brass brush.

My theory on this? You're getting the best of both worlds, with the chemical cleaning properties of the solvent being introduced via the abrasive/mechanical nature of a brush. As the solvent is softening and dissolving the copper, the brush is taking out the loose and soft stuff, scratching things up, and allowing the solvent to cover more area...get into more nooks and crannies to do the voodoo that it do. And this happens multiple times as we stroke back and forth with the brush in the barrel.

To me, it's kinda like cleaning a part in a parts washer. You can take the parts brush dipped in solvent, and get some of the gunk off. Or you can just soak the part for a while, and get some of the gunk off. But if you really want a clean part, your part is soaked, and you're a scrubbing with that brush.

Justin
 
One can expedite

The process a bunch with Clover lapping compound on a patch when and if the carbon gets reallly stuck.

Pete
 
Kim Jong-un bore cleaner

Plutonium 239 being an alpha emitter would remove the surface copper and carbon from the bore without injuring the underling steel. The contamination with Pu 240 which causes it to fission too soon would be an asset as fission would occur in front of the bullet scrubbing the bore in front of the projectile. There is, of course, the thorny problem of barrel life. Tim
 
Not sure of the actual results of research compiled on St Patrick's Day Tim. Did you factor in Jamisons Irish whisky?
 
I know better

Tim Oltersdorf said:
Plutonium 239 being an alpha emitter would remove the surface copper and carbon from the bore without injuring the underling steel. The contamination with Pu 240 which causes it to fission too soon would be an asset as fission would occur in front of the bullet scrubbing the bore in front of the projectile. There is, of course, the thorny problem of barrel life. Tim
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Tim is not being completely forthcoming... I watched him in Phoenix, he has a Flux Capacitor installed on his cleaning rod and after every match, he sends his barrels back in time to right after the first fouling shot when the barrel was new...
 
Once Again

Broke out a 308 deer rifle I had recently chambered and shot maybe 20 rnds thru it before deer season. Again I had carbon on the lands and grooves for 6 inches in front of the throat that I thought I had removed. Three Isso patches finally got it out. Im learning.
 
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