Bill Calfee

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Bart

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Bill

I put this on your stopped muzzle post. I’m not for sure if it got lost in the clutter. Any way I would appreciate a reply one way or the other. If you don't want to take this on I understand.

Thanks
Bart

Mr. Calfee,

I have followed most of the posts about tuner devices. Now that you have proven they can and do work for rimfire lets step it up to centerfire on a 6PPC. I have a spare rifle that is a proven shooter. I have about two of everything so anything you need to reload for a 6PPC I can probably send/provide. I am a not a machinist so I can’t make the device myself but I can provide you with a platform to test on. I know you are busy trying to turn out rifles (as I am with bullets), but I’m in no rush to get these things back if it will help in our pursuit of accuracy. I’m in Kentucky; I can just run them up to you if you are interested.

I don’t shoot rimfire but one of these days I would like to own one of your rifles.

Bart Sauter

Bart’s Custom Bullets
 
Not The Point

I would not look at this as a 'put up or shut up' senario. Bart, like some before him, has made an honest good faith offer to Bill that will allow him to test his theory without an extravagant cash layout, or a extravagant amount of time.
I have always said that if these theories prove to be of worth in The Competitive Arena, I would be one of the first to try them, because I am interested in winning. But I see a lot of criticle flaws in the concept, and I am not going to waste my time and money chasing some one elses idea that I have little faith in. I have enough goofy ideas of my own to chase.
Let's see what happens. That is the civil thing to do.
But, I doubt any of us are going to stand by and let someone use this Forum for their own personal gain, trying to hock ideas to impressionable new shooters who see the name, and assume that the facts are correct. That has been my stand from day one.........jackie
 
Bill...

I think that if you are not gonna do any of this experimentation on YOUR idea, that you should probably no longer bring it up. We all have tons of ideas, but we cannot rely on anyone else to do them except ourselves. Bart is making you a MORE than generous offer. It is of my hope that you take it. If you choose not too, I do not see any other reason for this "stopped muzzle" jazz to continue. I know there are many who are curious of this idea and would love to see the results, but do not have the resources, time, money, ability, whatever.. . to complete these tests. Like I say, if you decline this offer, I don't see any reason why these discussions should continue until someone of ample ability and willingness decides to bring it back up. Just a thought.

Matthew S Keller
 
Mr Calfee

Mr Calfee,

This is not a trap. If you don’t want to discuss this on the forum just give me a call 270-879-4279 or send an email to The6ppc@aol.com

I would like to see if your muzzle device would work for a 100/200 yard benchrest rifle. I would then like to see which device works the best at keeping a rifle shooting competitively…Your tuner vs a Jackie style tuner vs tuning the old fashion way.

Bart
 
Btw:

Thank you Bart in your interest and willingness in helping to POSSIBLY make groups smaller, or at least find a more convenient way to tune. lol. I know that your offer to Bill is certainly appreciated by me, and I'm sure that there are many more who as well share gratitude for the offer that you are making Mr. Calfee. The relentless pursuit of accuracy perfection is always appreciated, and providing the one with the idea who has the ability with the equipment that would be needed in doing so, is taking it a step farther, and is certainly appreciated. Thanks again, and good luck.

Matthew S Keller
 
Stopped muzzle simple test... why not try it?

If you can stop the muzzle at bullet exit it should be pretty easy to prove or disprove with a simple test. If you can stop the muzzle how long is it stationary? Set the rifle and a digital camera on a rail gun with the camera focused on the muzzle and and fire the gun while taking continuous photos of the muzzle with pictures taken at frequency at or less than the the time the muzzle is supposedly stopped. Should be at least one frame where the muzzle is in perfect focus. Compare it to the picture before you shoot. If you use a device such as Dwight Scott designed you can even see the bullet exit.
So to be worth a tinkers damn you must stop the muzzle long enough for the bullet to exit which is with out doing the math a very short time. Mach three in twenty two inches is awesome. With a quick enough exposure you should be able to get a picture with just the tip of the bullet protruding, one at the mid point of the bullet and one with the tail just prior to exit and the muzzle and the bullet would be in focus.

Cheers:)
 
Bart Sauter

Bart like Jackie posted several people have made similar offers.I offered Bill some barrels for ringing when that first came out and he could charge whatever he wanted to do the work.
Bill sent me a nice letter(he has good hand writing) telling me how to prpoperly do the job for myself.Not trusting my own work I hired a piano tuner who knew exactly what Bill was talking about.

I am of the opinion that Bill would rather teach you how to do it than do it for you.I also don't think he has profitted in anyway off of his tuner threads as has been suggeted.I would have gladly paid him for ringing the barrels and he didn't want the money.
Lynn
 
Lynn

Lynn,

If Bill told you that ringing the barrel would work in a certain way and then charged you to ring your barrel, he could potentially face liability if/when it does not work the way he promised.

It could be construed as fraud.

Ryan
 
Well

I am beginning to see the method in all of this madness. Ole Bill comes on this Forum, pontificates about all of this experimenting that he is doing that is 'just awesome", then declares everything a success by proclaiming he has built the most accurate Rimfire Rifle ever, and then announces it is for sale.
Somewhere, P.T. Barnum is smiling.
......jackie
 
As I noted elsewhere, the man is not the dumb old bas!ard that he'd have us all believe. Quite the opposite in fact, car salesman and real estate agents comes to mind !!
 
But

Wilbur said:
It may very well be the most accurate rimfire rifle ever. Don't bet against it.
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This may well be the most accurate rifle ever:rolleyes:, but Bill will never sell it to anyone who lives more than 250 miles from him. Most of us will never get a chance to shoot against this great rifle. I guess it's just as well, we'd all be shooting for second place!
 
but....

who would buy a Cafee rifle anyway.... the can't know jack right :rolleyes:
 
How well "Spec 5" shoots or how good a rifle Bill can build really has nothing to do with the way that he conducts himself here.

He is free to do what he pleases of course but imagine if all benchrest gunsmiths with a good reputation started building spec built rifles and auctioned them off using BRC as a place to market them, the best ones selling to only those with deep pockets !!

Bill has his own website, why doesn't he just use that rather than make a big fuss about sending Wilbur $50 for advertising. If he sells the rifle for the sort of money that is possible Wilbur should be getting a damn site more than $50 for the free publicity Bill has managed to create for himself here.

Bryce
 
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