Another silly question . . . .

[Pete Wass]

Has it been learned WHY some lots of ammo shoots well in a large number of barrels, why some lots of ammo shoots well in a few barrels and some lots of ammo don't shoot well in anything? Perhaps the answer is obvious but I have never heard it or read it anywhere, if indeed the answer is known. There should be a way to quantify WHY shouldn't there?

 

[glp]

Has it been learned WHY some lots of ammo shoots well in a large number of barrels, why some lots of ammo shoots well in a few barrels and some lots of ammo don't shoot well in anything? Perhaps the answer is obvious but I have never heard it or read it anywhere, if indeed the answer is known. There should be a way to quantify WHY shouldn't there?

You know Pete, with the price of Lapua Midas, Eley Red Box, Federal Ultra Match and RWS 50, it may be cheaper to build 4 or 5 rifles to test ammo with.

 

[Pete Wass]

You know Pete, with the price of Lapua Midas, Eley Red Box, Federal Ultra Match and RWS 50, it may be cheaper to build 4 or 5 rifles to test ammo with.

Perhaps chambering more barrels is the answer; cheaper than a whole rifle, eh? When I get my next rifle built I will have 5 or 6 barrels chambered for it at that time and spend the rest of my retirement testing ammo.

 

[tim]

Crimp, pressure, subtle priming variences, velocity, ES, in any and all combinations. Take youre pick.

And for what it's worth, I think most guys, short at showing up at a big venue to test everything at hand, have no practical approach as to what to pick to test, how they actually test it, test it in an untuned poorly maintained gun and how to narrow it down, they ultimately spend 90% of their time chasing their tail. It may very well be the single biggest screw up frustrating guys that never shoot to their potential. World class ammo is never easy. Damned fine competitive ammo is far more available. Far too many capable shooters find neither often because they shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[Vern]

Just out of curiosity, did anyone try (using same brand and all) taking 1 lot that shot well and one that didnt pulling the heads and weighing the powder thats in them then weighing the empties to check for priming diff and finally weighing the bullets to see if there was a larger variation in the ones that dont shoot?

 

[Hambone]

Has it been learned WHY some lots of ammo shoots well in a large number of barrels, why some lots of ammo shoots well in a few barrels and some lots of ammo don't shoot well in anything? Perhaps the answer is obvious but I have never heard it or read it anywhere, if indeed the answer is known. There should be a way to quantify WHY shouldn't there?

Pete

The influencing variables are to many and the combinations to great. For there ever to be a difinative answer to your question. I doubt that even the fella that owns Accurate Reloading who's team did the 200+ rimfire ammo test has the available resources to figure out the answer.

 

[Hambone]

The thing that makes all the difference between the 2.....................????????


The guy pulling the trigger!

 

[tim]

The thing that makes all the difference between the 2.....................????????





The guy pulling the trigger![

If you believe that friend you've done far less match shooting than even I assumed.

 

[pickles]

I know a gentilman that uses wolf, he seperates buy rim thickness and does very well, that maybe what you need to start with. Dial indicater and an old chamber and your off and running on one thing at a time, then weigh all the bullets and seperate that way.

Semper fi

 

[Slick Willy]

I know a gentilman that uses wolf, he seperates buy rim thickness and does very well, that maybe what you need to start with.

Semper fi

Gunny, that gentleman could send letters to north pole and get the same results!

 

[Hambone]

If you believe that friend you've done far less match shooting than even I assumed.

If you believe otherwise, you've obviously not had the pleasure of witnesing some of the greats shoot. Fortunately I have.

A common mistake made by people with limted experience and ability is they like to make assumptions,............. they also think its all down to the equipment. At the very top end it's the nut behind the butt that makes the percenatges up.

 

[Hambone]

I know a gentilman that uses wolf, he seperates buy rim thickness and does very well, that maybe what you need to start with. Dial indicater and an old chamber and your off and running on one thing at a time, then weigh all the bullets and seperate that way.

Semper fi

I main match shooting buddy sorts his ammo by rim thickness and weight and has certainly posted better scores for it. Having taken very early retirement means he has the time, if not the cash, available to indulge his therories.

 

[tim]

If you believe otherwise, you've obviously not had the pleasure of witnesing some of the greats shoot. Fortunately I have.

A common mistake made by people with limted experience and ability is they like to make assumptions,............. they also think its all down to the equipment. At the very top end it's the nut behind the butt that makes the percenatges up.

Well maybe next year I might get a chance to shoot in a couple of those big matches so I can see this stuff first hand.

 

[burtona]

Biggest difference between the top shooters and the "also ran"! Knowing when NOT to shoot on a record target!

 

[Bob Pekaar]

Dave, I think you hit the nail on the head, but I would add patience (I guess the same thing) and wind reading ability (the most important thing with a well tune rifle.
). We're in a complex avocation where we have to consider barrels and compatible ammo. I guess our problem is so multifaceted that it''s hard to pick out the most important factor in accuracy. Once you have the rife tuned with good ammo, it's you.

 

[Vibe]

Once you have the rife tuned with good ammo, it's you.

And now the topic comes back to what the OP originally asked - what is the difference from one lot to the next that makes one a "good" lot in many more rifles, one lot a good lot in a few rifles, and another lot not so good in any. Given that it's the same shooter - even a great shooter - doing the testing.

 

[Hambone]

what is the difference from one lot to the next that makes one a "good" lot in many more rifles, one lot a good lot in a few rifles, and another lot not so good in any.

As has already been stated the variables that come with mass produced .22 ammunition.

Bullet head weight, bullet head size, powder. powder charge weight, brass tension. primer variance, ignition, rim thickness. Combine 1,2,3 or more of these variables together and you have your ball of wax.

 

[Hambone]

Once you have the rife tuned with good ammo, it's you.

Bob

Exactly! Good shooting ability it what makes damned fine competitive ammo into world class ammo. Always has, always will !

Some folks spend a fortune and weeks of their time in the futile search for world class .22 r/f ammo. Time and money that would be better spent improving their shooting ability IMO.

But there are those who still seek the holy grail. I guess forlorn quests are nothing new.

 

[Fred J]

I've found, to get to most out of any ammo, you have to be consistant with your test or shooting methods. One or two groups are never enough either.

 

[Afponiky]

Is this how all the threads are? I see a lot of bashing, put downs, and smart arse remarks through a lot of this here. I guess this is kind of like a private club instead of an information web site. No offense to anyone but this isn't the type of forum that I feel comfortable posting questions or trying to learn anything. Is this like this all the time?

I don't want to be caught up into the rage of things here since I'm new to this, and other web sites but I don't feel real good about having others make judgements on me just because there are chips on everyone's shoulders and I may try to get some info or try to be friendly.

Maybe you guys are too comfortable in your ways and how you talk to each other, but for someone new it is not comfortable to try to ask questions or make contact without feeling your going to be thrown on one side or the other.


What gives?


Gary