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Dave Short
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Lynn, Pete, I'll meet you at the tree. Get plenty of rope; don't forget we'll be paying for the Bailout too.
-Dave-
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$5 oil !
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Lynn, Pete, I'll meet you at the tree. Get plenty of rope; don't forget we'll be paying for the Bailout too.
-Dave-
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earl39
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feel like having nothing Pete?
well that is what you will have without the trucks. sure the railroad can carry things but how far is it to the nearest railyard? belive it or not there are still places that depend on trucks for everything. and when was the last time ups delivered a package that didn't come off a truck at some point? want bullets? need food? want gas for that hummer? better learn to live with those trucks.
well that is what you will have without the trucks. sure the railroad can carry things but how far is it to the nearest railyard? belive it or not there are still places that depend on trucks for everything. and when was the last time ups delivered a package that didn't come off a truck at some point? want bullets? need food? want gas for that hummer? better learn to live with those trucks.
Pete
If you've noticed heating oil and diesel are coming down but not anywhere near as much as gasoline. THAT is where the oil company pariahs and Middle Eastern, anti everything good, wholesome, reasonable, fair and progressive devils are making there money right now. Notice food prices haven't come down due to transportation?
If you've noticed heating oil and diesel are coming down but not anywhere near as much as gasoline. THAT is where the oil company pariahs and Middle Eastern, anti everything good, wholesome, reasonable, fair and progressive devils are making there money right now. Notice food prices haven't come down due to transportation?
Tom...
I've had the naging feeling that the oil hogs fear a Democratic windfall profits tax so they, conspiring with many of the "friendly" middle Eastern oil countries have let prices drop for fear of political retribution. JMHO.
I've had the naging feeling that the oil hogs fear a Democratic windfall profits tax so they, conspiring with many of the "friendly" middle Eastern oil countries have let prices drop for fear of political retribution. JMHO.
Pete Wass
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If we had a
National Rail Road system like we do the Interstate highways and any Rail Company could use them, like the dang trucks do the Interstates then the trucks could do shorter,intermodal runs and save a lotta oil. The local trucks could haul lighter loads and the roads would take less abuse. I see and hear once in awhile adds by the rail roads on how little oil it takes to haul many tons of freight. Why is nobody listening? Why isn't the Federal Government listening?
National Rail Road system like we do the Interstate highways and any Rail Company could use them, like the dang trucks do the Interstates then the trucks could do shorter,intermodal runs and save a lotta oil. The local trucks could haul lighter loads and the roads would take less abuse. I see and hear once in awhile adds by the rail roads on how little oil it takes to haul many tons of freight. Why is nobody listening? Why isn't the Federal Government listening?
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gtofan
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't diesel fuel in the winter time generally stay pretty high so people won't stray from home heating oil to burn in their homes?
If so, would be a reason diesel isn't dropping with gasoline right now.
If so, would be a reason diesel isn't dropping with gasoline right now.
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AVanGorder
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Dublin
Is gas really $1.14 down in Dublin, Georgia?
Is gas really $1.14 down in Dublin, Georgia?
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Boss Hoss 540
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Never happen--- OPEC is cutting production coupled with the Fed which is expected to cut interest rates which weaken the dollar will push oil to 55 this time next week. Just watch..
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Donnie Nash
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AVanGorder
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Last night, the price for Regular went up $0.16 in my area.
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Dave Short
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I paid more than that when I had my learner's permit (longer ago than you might think).
We're still at $1.69 here (Pittsburgh area).
-Dave-
Ben,
what are the oil producing countries going to do, eat sand? They have to pump oil. It's pure economic survival for them. I'm not disagreeing that oil has to be fairly priced, but $147 a barrel this late Summer at this time in history was absurd...and a big reason why this recession will be the worst of our lifetimes. It would be interesting if the grain producing countries of the world leveraged their crop production like the oil countries do their oil. Oh, I can hear the howls...we would be playing with the health of the World. Hell, what are the oil producing countries doing? --Greg
what are the oil producing countries going to do, eat sand? They have to pump oil. It's pure economic survival for them. I'm not disagreeing that oil has to be fairly priced, but $147 a barrel this late Summer at this time in history was absurd...and a big reason why this recession will be the worst of our lifetimes. It would be interesting if the grain producing countries of the world leveraged their crop production like the oil countries do their oil. Oh, I can hear the howls...we would be playing with the health of the World. Hell, what are the oil producing countries doing? --Greg
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Donnie Nash
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Yes the rail road needs plenty of help as far as trucking is concerned ifyou dont driveone you dont really know there are a lot of people that can sit around and say if this if that but it is what you think and thats all most people do is think if you havent sit in the seat like I have for 2 million plus miles you dont have a clue what it takes and dont talk about truckers with your mouth full
Pete Wass
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I kow what you are saying
But there have been a lot of folks who USE to do things they liked to do or thought they had to do who are doing somethong else now. There are many industries we use to think we couldn't live without that are gone, never to return. We have adapted. We can always adapt. We need to do something to save the fuel. Where most of it is used might be a good place to start.
But there have been a lot of folks who USE to do things they liked to do or thought they had to do who are doing somethong else now. There are many industries we use to think we couldn't live without that are gone, never to return. We have adapted. We can always adapt. We need to do something to save the fuel. Where most of it is used might be a good place to start.
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gtofan
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Well since the price of gas fell about $3/ gal not too long ago, relieved the minds of the shoppers so they could feel compelled to drive to the stores.
$4/ gal gas how many people do you think would have wanted to stay in.
Now that the season is coming to an end, wanna bet it will shoot right back up and our media will inform us that the demand is back up or some other lie?
$4/ gal gas how many people do you think would have wanted to stay in.
Now that the season is coming to an end, wanna bet it will shoot right back up and our media will inform us that the demand is back up or some other lie?
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TBonz
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'Bout time you guys down there had to pay about as much as we do! We were at $1.64 this morning...
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mks
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Hubbert Peak
If we look at the history of energy use (www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/eh/frame.html), we see that several transitions have occurred - animal power to wood power in the late 1800's, wood to coal in the early 1900's, coal to oil in the mid 1900's. We are in the beginning stages of the next transition. What are we transitioning to this time? Uranium is not abundant, so nuclear fission is out, unless we are willing to accept breeder reactors. Wind power makes a lot of sense where it is windy, but the resource is limited. If we covered about a quarter of Arizona with solar collectors, they would generate enough power to meet the entire US demand, so I think solar is the most likely candidate. On the other hand, nuclear fusion would provide a virtually unlimited source if we ever figure out how to do it.
Exciting times for the energy engineer.
Cheers,
Keith
In the short term, conservation will help, but we are running out of oil. Hubbert (www.hubbertpeak.com) predicted way back in the 50's that US oil production would peak in the 80's, and that's exactly what happened. If world oil production is peaking soon, which is the scientific consensus, then the recent high oil prices can be expected to return as soon as the economy recovers and demand for oil rises. If we conserve, then it delays the problem, but it is inevitable that oil will get so expensive that we will be forced to find an alternate source.
If we look at the history of energy use (www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/eh/frame.html), we see that several transitions have occurred - animal power to wood power in the late 1800's, wood to coal in the early 1900's, coal to oil in the mid 1900's. We are in the beginning stages of the next transition. What are we transitioning to this time? Uranium is not abundant, so nuclear fission is out, unless we are willing to accept breeder reactors. Wind power makes a lot of sense where it is windy, but the resource is limited. If we covered about a quarter of Arizona with solar collectors, they would generate enough power to meet the entire US demand, so I think solar is the most likely candidate. On the other hand, nuclear fusion would provide a virtually unlimited source if we ever figure out how to do it.
Exciting times for the energy engineer.
Cheers,
Keith
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