Probably for the same reason they wonder why you haven't said anything of any use yet. About ready for this years complete rules changes suggestions?
Because when you come on and drop a veiled insult at a guy of Chet's caliber, it deserves a response, especially since ( once again) you comment without any knowledge of the subject material.
As to smiths sharing, many do Pete, just like your former smith..........right up until the point where they realize you're not particularly adept at the listening part.
Pete Wass
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I listen to everyone Tim and decide what I choose to believe after I hear what folks have to say. I am not looking for any one tutor. Just because folks say things they believe to be true doesn't necessarily make it so. I have seen some of them proven to be wrong so it's best to ask a lot of questions and filter the truth from the fiction. Some folks who are legends in their own minds.
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Chester would have love ya Pete. Any conversation would likely not have gone past about 20 seconds.
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david kiff
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Chester, had three propitiatory prints . He purchased a straight bodied .225 1 degree 30 minute , a .2255 to .225 tapered 2 degree and a tapered .2252 to .2248 3 degree angle reamers . Chet had me grind the last three sets with no rim cutter , Spiral Fluted and all three angles with a straight body of .225 .. He told me the key was not the lead angle but the projectile touching with light engraving and the only other touch factor was the parallel push in of the flush bolt face keeping the case suspended touching nothing else but the two points , each angle set to a different depth . He told me to make .043 or .044 gauge and not his typical .0415 . He said he changed his ideas on front rim pinch so any inaccuracy's in rim thickness would not be a factor . His latter ideas were basically in the same direction direction as Bill Meyers changes before he died . Bills last two reamers were straight .225 Spiral Rim less 1 degree 30 minute also . I look back at the Calfee reamers basically middle of the road .225 straight 2 degree and rimless . The spiral finisher at a high RPM takes the need for a burnish hobb out of the picture. Well I sure miss those two guys and they sure taught me what makes a Rimfire shoot tiny groups . Thanks Dave Kiff
Thanks Dave. I knew he had a few reamers, he did, however, tell me all those guns were done with just one. Which one I never learned, but he did tell me if it ever needed a grind or got nicked he had a dilemma because it would never leave his shop.
His wife called me a few times because initially she went back to work to keep herself busy but after a respectable amount of time I asked but the reamer is lost.
It is interesting because all of the chambers of his I saw had no real engraving, the chamber just bumped the shoulder of the drive band.
The other very interesting aspect of his work using the Suhl's and Anschutz 54's was that none of them got threaded. He believed that while the Germans were capable of threading an action, pressing them yielded far better stress free chambers.
All and all some impressive work for a guy that ran a transmission shop for most of his life. He was a thinker however.[SUP][/SUP]
His wife called me a few times because initially she went back to work to keep herself busy but after a respectable amount of time I asked but the reamer is lost.
It is interesting because all of the chambers of his I saw had no real engraving, the chamber just bumped the shoulder of the drive band.
The other very interesting aspect of his work using the Suhl's and Anschutz 54's was that none of them got threaded. He believed that while the Germans were capable of threading an action, pressing them yielded far better stress free chambers.
All and all some impressive work for a guy that ran a transmission shop for most of his life. He was a thinker however.[SUP][/SUP]
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david kiff
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Yes Chet was a real intelligent Gentleman . I don't know if this helps but Chet told me he had used Five and Three Degree custom ground Chucking reamers at some time in his life and always swore by Three degree Removable pilot Reamers and one 1.5 degree until the last three phone orders of the three diferant angles . My wife said she has a few pages of correspondence and measured targets from Chet in the files stapled to all the invoices that covers the information on the throats and Chambers . I will have her post them if his family is OK with it . I will have many original builders memo's , Prints , Charts and Targets on the new PTG Website . Thanks Dave
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mstot
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Mr Kiff I just got off the phone with Chet's wife and she does not want any of Chet's information put on this web site or any other web site.I wish you would have called me back on Friday to discuss this over the phone. I speak for the family on this matter and anything concerning the reamers and the 25X guns. We believe all his time and money put into this should not be just be given away to those you have not put anything into it.We would also like to have the 2 reamers sent back to you before his death. This post was not meant to offend anybody we are just doing things the way Chet would have done. It will 6 years without Chet on Feb 3 so the family hopes this issue is over. Mr kiff you can call me if you have any questions I left my phone number with you on Friday.
I hope everybody understands Mark
I hope everybody understands Mark
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samick
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I am Chet's daughter and frankly do not care about those people who think they should have my fathers accomplishments posted on this web site so they don't have to figure it out. He spent many long hours doing what he loved, figuring out guns and no one is getting that information from the FAMILY! That is his secret not yours to give out. I hope this puts this crap to rest today! Thank you Tim and mstot for supporting us!
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MIKECAMERON
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This is just a simple question and not meant for anything but trying to find out the correct information,and since the daughter and several friends are posting here maybe we can get the real story. Were any of these 250-25X targets shot in competition?If so where and what type of discipline were they and if not how exactly were they shot?Thanks in advance.
Mike Cameron
This is just a simple question and not meant for anything but trying to find out the correct information,and since the daughter and several friends are posting here maybe we can get the real story. Were any of these 250-25X targets shot in competition?If so where and what type of discipline were they and if not how exactly were they shot?Thanks in advance.
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david kiff
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I always ask the Family before we post anything and they do not want any of his information out , so we must always follow there wishes . I will always have this file so if we get written permission to post it we will . I have a almost finished P.O.Ackley III Edition that his family asked not to publish , and its archived also. In this life I found you should treat folks the way you would like to be treated your self . Even if they sound rude. Thanks Dave
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david kiff
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I always call customers back if the girls put the note on my desk , I didn't see one . I am accused of living here by my wife , so call anytime between 6:15 and 5:15 PST .......Thanks Dave
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steve b.
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Easy gang.... I understand there are some strong emotions with this issue, but let's all try to play nice and respectful in the sandbox.
I am 100% certain Dave had only the best intentions in mind and would have contacted the family prior. No harm, no foul.
Chet was without question a great and highly skilled man, and I see no infringement on his legacy.
And this: "Germans were capable of threading an action, pressing them yielded far better stress free chambers." really jumps out to me. I think there is much more to this comment than meets the eye. It shares no "secret" yet bring into focus a often misunderstood idea.
Good comment indeed...
I am 100% certain Dave had only the best intentions in mind and would have contacted the family prior. No harm, no foul.
Chet was without question a great and highly skilled man, and I see no infringement on his legacy.
And this: "Germans were capable of threading an action, pressing them yielded far better stress free chambers." really jumps out to me. I think there is much more to this comment than meets the eye. It shares no "secret" yet bring into focus a often misunderstood idea.
Good comment indeed...
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MIKECAMERON
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But it is a comment that needs some explaination because in my experience it is totally not true, My personal Suhl is threaded and it doesn't have a "stressed" chamber and as far as I know(maybe someone can give us some info) there haven't been one of these press fit barrels that have won any major championships that I have heard of(maybe someone can educate me and I admit my own knowledge is very limited) as a mater of fact the only real challenge I have seen was when the euros brought all their press fit rifles over here in 2011 for the world tournament and they didn't win a smell of a medal.So tell me Steve( I am simply asking) what is the misunderstanding here? You would think that if the press fit was in any way superior it would be used but it just isn't.Now please don't take anything I am asking here personal or as aggressive it is not intended that way at all I am just trying to get useful info.
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Chet Amick
I will be Flamed and critisized for this but will speak my mind anyway.
It seems to me that the family is doing more harm than good to Chet Amicks Legend and extraordinary accomplishments by posting here and demanding extreme privacy re Chets rimfire accomplishments.
First off no-one today cares about using Amick rifles or barrels, the best shooters are using Turbo’s, Falcons, 2500X’s, XIII’s and on and on…not Amick guns.
Chet’s accomplishments are recognized by those that knew him and shot with him, he was a great man.
In the final analysis it was mostly Chet’s shooting skills and ability to interpret wind conditions and Ammo selection that drove him to his Perfect 250-25X targets.
Chet was a perfectionist and proved it with his BR Rimfire exploits.
Enough said.
I will be Flamed and critisized for this but will speak my mind anyway.
It seems to me that the family is doing more harm than good to Chet Amicks Legend and extraordinary accomplishments by posting here and demanding extreme privacy re Chets rimfire accomplishments.
First off no-one today cares about using Amick rifles or barrels, the best shooters are using Turbo’s, Falcons, 2500X’s, XIII’s and on and on…not Amick guns.
Chet’s accomplishments are recognized by those that knew him and shot with him, he was a great man.
In the final analysis it was mostly Chet’s shooting skills and ability to interpret wind conditions and Ammo selection that drove him to his Perfect 250-25X targets.
Chet was a perfectionist and proved it with his BR Rimfire exploits.
Enough said.
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MIKECAMERON
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It still hasn't been answered publicly my question that were the 25-X targets shot under competitive conditions or were they shot practicing?And I would like to add to the question were Chets legacy rifles ever used during championship tournaments and how did they fare?These questions are asked not trying to infer anything but merely to find out information that is not known by myself.We all know how todays gunsmiths rifles can shoot and their records as far as that goes but it would be very interesting to compare Chets rifles to todays.How about it Don Stith I think you have one of Chets rifles how does it stack up?
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