There has been quite a bit of chatter on this website lately about world record measurements. So now that I’ve managed to hack thru Wilbur’s defenses and again gain the ability to post on this web site, I will try to clarify some miss-conceptions, and I thought I would explain the measuring process and who is involved in measuring a potential world record at this time.
When a potential world record is shot at any registered match it is the competitor’s responsibility to recognize that he or she has just shot a potential record and it is the competitor’s responsibility to see to it that his or her targets and backers are handled properly and that a proper submission is made. The procedure and a copy of the submission form is posted on this web site in the same area as the current records.
I would like to stress that if the targets are removed from the wailing wall by anyone other than a match official, the opportunity to submit the targets for world record recognition is lost. If a competitor handles his targets, or removes them from the wailing wall, even at the range the same day that they are shot they should not be submitted for world record recognition. ONLY MATCH OFFICIALS CAN HANDEL THE TARGETS!! This rule is in place because it is possible to manipulate the targets and to actually shrink the groups on targets by altering them in any of several ways. The targets can be wet down and dried in an oven, they can simply be hammered on, or the smudge left by the bullet can be erased in an area by using a pencil eraser. I’m sure that there are also other ways to shrink a group on a target
I do not want to imply that anything like this has happened to Jackie’s targets. My only purpose in this is to explain the rule so that everybody understands why there is no possibility for any re-measurement on this set of targets.
The actual measuring process goes like this (I won’t go thru what has to happen at the range as that process is explained in the procedure that is posted on this web site.)
When I receive a submission from a regional director, I verify that I have a properly filled out submission form and that all the required signatures are on the targets and on the backers, I take a look at the targets to verify that they are all numbered correctly, I check and verify that the competitor that shot the potential record is in fact a member of the NBRSA. I also check to be sure that the match the potential record was shot at is in fact a registered match. I match up backers with their targets, and check all backers to verify the correct number of shots for each target. If all the paperwork for the submission is in order I will proceed with the measuring process. If there is a problem with the submission I will try to straighten it out with the help of the regional director that submitted the potential record. If I can’t get it worked out then I return the targets to the competitor and let him know why I’ve rejected the submission.
I then tape over the range scores on the targets so my guy’s won’t be influenced by the range score. I fill out all the measurement forms for the target or set of targets, one for each of my guys, and I send the targets and forms to the first guy.
If I have a questionable backer I will send that out with the target, for them to look at, and ask them to give me their opinion on the questionable backer.
I will not use a scorer that is in the same region that the potential record was shot in. If the record was shot out west I won’t sent the targets to my guy out west. I will use the others on my committee for that set of targets.
The first scorer measures the targets, records his scores on my form and mail’s the form to me
He re-boxes the targets and send’s the targets and remaining forms on to the next guy.
This continues until we have three scores from independent people scattered around the country. Nobody sees the range score or knows how the other guys scored the targets, I try real hard to not influence the scorer with any information on how others have scored the target.
When the final guy is thru with the targets he sends his scores and all the targets back to me.
I add up the scores and come up with the official measurement.
I send the targets back to the competitor with either a letter of congratulations or a letter that lets him or her know that the targets didn’t make it and what the official score was. If it’s a new record I also notify the secretary, the President, the regional director that the competitor resides in, and the magazine of the new record so that they can all do their respective things.
That’s the process.
The people on my measuring committee are:
In the West, Lowell Frei
Lowell is a member of the Hall of Fame, he has been shooting bench rest for over 31 years. He has been on my measuring committee for 3 years now.
In the central part of the country, Ron Hoehn
Ron is also a member of the Hall of Fame, he has been shooting bench rest for over 42 years. Ron was on the committee when I took the job as chairman, and he has been scoring targets for over 30 years.
In the East, Kent Harshman
Kent has been shooting bench rest for over 25 years, he holds the IBS Gold Level Precision Rifleman Award and currently sits 18th. All time on that list. He is the current chairman of the IBS world record scoring committee and has had that position for over 5 years.
I am proud to be the chairman of a committee that includes these gentlemen. For those who don’t know me, I am actually the junior guy of this group with regard to Bench Rest experience. I have only 21 years in bench rest. I have been the Director of the Gulf Coast Region, and have been chairman of the NBRSA World Records committee for over 3 years now.
The above group of people have; 54 Hall OF Fame points, over 118 years combined, of bench rest experience and many other accomplishments too numerous to go into here.
I will just briefly address Jackie’s targets.
There is not the shadow of doubt in my mind that the targets were scored properly and that nobody in my committee was biased in any way, including the fact that these targets were shot with a 30 caliber,
Because I thought that Jackie was my friend, and because Jackie is in my region, I did not score Jackie’s targets. I did verify that it was a good submission and that the backers were good. Then I sent the targets out to the guys in my committee for them to score.
The scores that were returned to me were all very close to each other. All the official scorers had the aggregate at well over the existing record.
I will not respond to any other postings about these targets.
If you have any questions about the scoring process, please do ask and I’ll do my best to answer.
Gene Bukys
Chairman, NBRSA measuring committee
When a potential world record is shot at any registered match it is the competitor’s responsibility to recognize that he or she has just shot a potential record and it is the competitor’s responsibility to see to it that his or her targets and backers are handled properly and that a proper submission is made. The procedure and a copy of the submission form is posted on this web site in the same area as the current records.
I would like to stress that if the targets are removed from the wailing wall by anyone other than a match official, the opportunity to submit the targets for world record recognition is lost. If a competitor handles his targets, or removes them from the wailing wall, even at the range the same day that they are shot they should not be submitted for world record recognition. ONLY MATCH OFFICIALS CAN HANDEL THE TARGETS!! This rule is in place because it is possible to manipulate the targets and to actually shrink the groups on targets by altering them in any of several ways. The targets can be wet down and dried in an oven, they can simply be hammered on, or the smudge left by the bullet can be erased in an area by using a pencil eraser. I’m sure that there are also other ways to shrink a group on a target
I do not want to imply that anything like this has happened to Jackie’s targets. My only purpose in this is to explain the rule so that everybody understands why there is no possibility for any re-measurement on this set of targets.
The actual measuring process goes like this (I won’t go thru what has to happen at the range as that process is explained in the procedure that is posted on this web site.)
When I receive a submission from a regional director, I verify that I have a properly filled out submission form and that all the required signatures are on the targets and on the backers, I take a look at the targets to verify that they are all numbered correctly, I check and verify that the competitor that shot the potential record is in fact a member of the NBRSA. I also check to be sure that the match the potential record was shot at is in fact a registered match. I match up backers with their targets, and check all backers to verify the correct number of shots for each target. If all the paperwork for the submission is in order I will proceed with the measuring process. If there is a problem with the submission I will try to straighten it out with the help of the regional director that submitted the potential record. If I can’t get it worked out then I return the targets to the competitor and let him know why I’ve rejected the submission.
I then tape over the range scores on the targets so my guy’s won’t be influenced by the range score. I fill out all the measurement forms for the target or set of targets, one for each of my guys, and I send the targets and forms to the first guy.
If I have a questionable backer I will send that out with the target, for them to look at, and ask them to give me their opinion on the questionable backer.
I will not use a scorer that is in the same region that the potential record was shot in. If the record was shot out west I won’t sent the targets to my guy out west. I will use the others on my committee for that set of targets.
The first scorer measures the targets, records his scores on my form and mail’s the form to me
He re-boxes the targets and send’s the targets and remaining forms on to the next guy.
This continues until we have three scores from independent people scattered around the country. Nobody sees the range score or knows how the other guys scored the targets, I try real hard to not influence the scorer with any information on how others have scored the target.
When the final guy is thru with the targets he sends his scores and all the targets back to me.
I add up the scores and come up with the official measurement.
I send the targets back to the competitor with either a letter of congratulations or a letter that lets him or her know that the targets didn’t make it and what the official score was. If it’s a new record I also notify the secretary, the President, the regional director that the competitor resides in, and the magazine of the new record so that they can all do their respective things.
That’s the process.
The people on my measuring committee are:
In the West, Lowell Frei
Lowell is a member of the Hall of Fame, he has been shooting bench rest for over 31 years. He has been on my measuring committee for 3 years now.
In the central part of the country, Ron Hoehn
Ron is also a member of the Hall of Fame, he has been shooting bench rest for over 42 years. Ron was on the committee when I took the job as chairman, and he has been scoring targets for over 30 years.
In the East, Kent Harshman
Kent has been shooting bench rest for over 25 years, he holds the IBS Gold Level Precision Rifleman Award and currently sits 18th. All time on that list. He is the current chairman of the IBS world record scoring committee and has had that position for over 5 years.
I am proud to be the chairman of a committee that includes these gentlemen. For those who don’t know me, I am actually the junior guy of this group with regard to Bench Rest experience. I have only 21 years in bench rest. I have been the Director of the Gulf Coast Region, and have been chairman of the NBRSA World Records committee for over 3 years now.
The above group of people have; 54 Hall OF Fame points, over 118 years combined, of bench rest experience and many other accomplishments too numerous to go into here.
I will just briefly address Jackie’s targets.
There is not the shadow of doubt in my mind that the targets were scored properly and that nobody in my committee was biased in any way, including the fact that these targets were shot with a 30 caliber,
Because I thought that Jackie was my friend, and because Jackie is in my region, I did not score Jackie’s targets. I did verify that it was a good submission and that the backers were good. Then I sent the targets out to the guys in my committee for them to score.
The scores that were returned to me were all very close to each other. All the official scorers had the aggregate at well over the existing record.
I will not respond to any other postings about these targets.
If you have any questions about the scoring process, please do ask and I’ll do my best to answer.
Gene Bukys
Chairman, NBRSA measuring committee
I know both organizations Measuring or Records Committees take their jobs very seriously. Jackie's targets represent some damn fine-incredible-shooting. Sometimes the official measurement just doesn't support the range measurements. That is why the IBS's committee is officially called the "Measuring" Committee and not the "Records" Committee, although everyone calls it the latter.
