Has anyone hunted wolves?

My statement stands

My cousin was involved with reintroduction of wolves though the Fed Gov. in Min, Wis. and the U.P Mich. and is a wildlife biologist. My wifes freind is involved with wolves Rehab/reintroduction in northern MN. She had a special on the Discovery channel a year or so ago
 
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So they got paid to put 4 legged land sharks against elk. What does that have to do with facts ?
 
It's like this. When herds get to big they need to be thinned. Natures way is with predation ,disease,starvation This goes for prey/predator alike. Man has interfeared with that balance. Trying to put that balance back is what it's all about. It's called COSERVATION so that future generations have something to enjoy. Or would you prefer to shoot everything you see till it's all gone. Wolves are part of a HUGE ecosystem (TOP WILD PREDATOR). When the food declines the wolf population will decline (not enough carrying capacity ) to sustain the predator population. Do they have an ELK season in Iowa ? oh yeah wolves ate'em all or did man push'em out when they started movig in.
 
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The aerial shooting programs in British Columbia and the Yukon that I referred to covered thousands of square miles and several hundred wolves were killed. If that's not large scale I don't know what is.

I was responding to his claim that not many wolves have been taken in Canada in the last 50 years. That is an untrue claim.

Thousands of square mile is not large scale up here, the media may have said thousands of square miles but in reality they flew to specific areas where they wanted to cull wolves. A few wolves up here = hundreds. I suppose they flew over a few thousand miles as the crow flies, back and forth getting to and from these specific targeted wolves they wanted to thin out, mostly wolves that were predating on certain bands of stone sheep that were being hit too hard by overpredation.

Folks like you and the media make it sound like a bunch of gun totin wackos jump in our airplanes and go around willy nilly blasting wolves for sh*ts and giggles without any reason. Many of these wolves were recoverd and used for research and study purposes, i.e diet, ( mostly sheep), age structure, overall health, pregnancy rates, disease, genetic structure, pack makup, etc.
 
We're talking about wolves, not coyotes. How many coyotes they kill in Idaho is totally not relevant. Why not tell me how many mice are trapped there too?? It has nothing to do with the scale of wolf control in Canada.

The aerial shooting programs in British Columbia and the Yukon that I referred to covered thousands of square miles and several hundred wolves were killed. If that's not large scale I don't know what is.

I was responding to his claim that not many wolves have been taken in Canada in the last 50 years. That is an untrue claim.

Coyotes aren't wolves, this was to illustrate and put things into a little perspective. I'm not surprised you didn't get it.

Idaho and Utah are about the same size and each covers two pages of road atlas. On the Idaho map that valley is about the size of the mark from a sharp pencil point. The Utah valley is the size of a pinprick. Those valleys are each an infinitesimally small piece of the entire state. In the whole scheme of coyote things, those two valleys have zilch effect on population.....it's done every couple years to protect local livestock. Canada has a big wolf population. A few hundred from however many thousand square miles is nothing. And that culling area is a tiny part of about 1-1/2 MILLION square miles.

So no, a few hundred wolves isn't even remotely "large scale," it's miniscule scale, and you simply don't know what "large scale" is. And now arguing with a fellow who actually lives there. As usual you're just ignorant.
 
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As usual you're just ignorant.

And as usual you're just plain wrong.

You're back to making claims about coyotes in Idaho and Utah as if that has anything to do with wolves in Canada--it doesn't.

This whole thread illustrates that some folks still fear wolves (and want them gone from the North) and will spread misinformation to convince others that wolves are dangerous and wipe out game animals.

First we heard that very few wolves have been killed in Canada over the past 50 years--they've just sent them to Idaho instead. Wrong. Many were taken by hunters and trappers and hundreds were taken by aerial shooting control programs in BC and the Yukon. And the ones that were transplanted went to Wyoming, not Idaho.

Then we heard that wild wolves were becoming a threat to people. Wrong. Bears and mountain lions, maybe, but not wolves--unless they are fed by people and lose fear.

Then, it's claimed that wolves take all the trophy big game animals. Wrong. Alaska has had wolves forever yet trophy bull moose and caribou are still shot every year.

Next we're told there are 70,000 wolves in Canada. Wrong. This is over 3 times the actual estimate of Canadian biologists.

And then we hear that wolves killed tens of million of dollars worth of livestock in western states and the government didn't pay claims. Wrong. The dollar amount isn't even remotely close to that amount and a non-government organization pays claims, not the feds.

We really need to get rid of the myths and deal with the facts. But the facts are inconvienient for those who fear wolves and want them gone.
 
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Tough love??

We love wolves as much as we love elk, grizzlies, mule deer, cougars, moose, hummingbirds, coyotes, seagulls, ducks and most any other animal, bird, reptile, bug, etc., etc.

Yeah, right. You "love" 'em like some people love rattlesnakes, tarantulas and baracudas. Love 'em to death, eh?
 
GT40, I want to thank you for..............

OPENing my eyes; :eek::mad: and AX238, I want to thank you for that link!! Powerful stuff, I sent that link to many people. I was up til 04 on that site and STILL didn't see everything( as I've said, I got two cans an'na string, here :D) But, as I said about the coyotes being introduced here on the East Coast, if you get rid of the GAME, then there's no REASON to hunt, and if there's no reason to hunt, WTF you need all'ose NASTY ol' GUNS for, ennyway??? It was, for me, quite telling that the new powers that be, put the hybrid wolf back on the ESA list. I heard sometime back there was some hybridization of a venomous snake, :eek: a Rattler I think, has anyone heard anything more of that, or an urban legend??
 
The way this conversion

is going and the fear & flustrations that are being brought to the surface; I guess maybe this wouldn't be the time to mention the articles that Dr. Charles E. Kay has presented. It is rather painless to read different articles that may or may not help one to become better informed.
Respectfully.............Chan.
 
And as usual you're just plain wrong.

You're back to making claims about coyotes in Idaho and Utah as if that has anything to do with wolves in Canada--it doesn't.

It's ok vic, I knew you wouldn't get it. You're never right about anything. Tell you what.....in the morning, try putting your brain in your head instead of the other end. You won't be sitting on it all day and things will be much clearer.
 
Marc, That link is.........

no longer available, could you provide another?? Right after you begin a new thread, as this IS the last page, and I'd like to access that info.
 
It's ok vic, I knew you wouldn't get it. You're never right about anything. Tell you what.....in the morning, try putting your brain in your head instead of the other end. You won't be sitting on it all day and things will be much clearer.

With you, it's always the same--when you can't argue with facts you resort to insults and name calling. Grow up! You're not in 6th grade anymore--are you??
 
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no longer available, could you provide another?? Right after you begin a new thread, as this IS the last page, and I'd like to access that info.

The page comes up for me, I'll give the link again and one to another page. Better yet do a google search with the words 'wolf population in Canada'

http://http://www.wolf.org/wolves/learn/wow/regions/Canada/ It should give you a link if the page itself dosen't come up.

Another link giving world wide populations for each country.
http://www.lioncrusher.com/animal.asp?animal=35
 
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With you, it's always the same--when you can't argue with facts you resort to insults and name calling. Grow up! You're not in 6th grade anymore--are you??

With you, it's always the same -- don't care about facts and simply ignore them. Wise up! What is, is, and arguing that things aren't what they are just makes you look foolish.

You put your brain in the wrong place again today.
 
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OK Ackman--we now have ample proof that you really are still in 6th grade (or is it 4th?) and that you can't contribute anything other than insults to this discussion. But that is nothing new for you. It's SOP.

Tell me again about coyotes in Idaho and Utah. It's interesting but totally not relevant to wolves in Canada.
 
Vicvan....you never get it or have your facts right. Arguing when you've no idea what you're talking about makes you look foolish. Someone from Canada tells you what's going on in his country, have the sense to keep quiet and learn something.
 
I read about a fellow crossing.........

a lake in either Canada or Alaska on snowshoes, armed with a rifle. He had the feeling he was being "watched", so he turned around to look(I believe he was mid-point) and counted five wolves coming in his tracks. He hurried up, and when he reached the other side and made the trees and rocks, he looked back.......nothing. Said it was the scariest moments of his life. :eek:
 
wolves

i would love to hunt them. any idea of some good areas?roninflag
 
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