AR Class

IBS AR Class

Jhart said:
is this AR class short range (100-200) or long range (600)..and will this include tube guns?
I dont own any AR type rifles but if it lasts ill own 1.
thanks
Jim
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Group and/or Score - Any distance that a club wants to host.
AR type only. AR15, AR10... Any clone of the original Armalite AR15 rifle.
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Should provide some AR advances

Going to be interesting to watch this class, betting there will be some interesting advances in AR accuracy. Waiting to see if piston gun, rather than direct impingement uppers will predominate, as the gas system can be turned off on the piston guns. Seems like Mike from CO is hinting that this has yielded positive results in what he has been doing.

Have been wanting to pick up an AR platform, but "wanting some thing more" in terms of the general level of accuracy, and hoping this will lead to advances in that area. :D
 
dpapadimitrio@g said:
...as the gas system can be turned off on the piston guns....
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Adjustable gas blocks can be used on the gas tube ARs. For example, JP Enterprises make a few of them that can be adjusted with an allen wrench.

Adrian
 
george in KY said:
but benchrest AR......:rolleyes:
i can see it now 50 beauwolf AR on a benchrest line ...wheres the plug !! LOL
flame on !
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George, I should have known you'd be the one stirring the pot... :)
IBS already has a 40 cal limit.

Adrian
 
direct impingement rifles tend to be more accurate than piston rifles....too many moving parts to upset the shot....

turning the system off is an advantage to accuracy.

hmmmm so a 40 cal ar for score ?? who makes some bullets ??...lol.....

mike in co
 
Mike

A few years back, a fellow named Eric Klemitich, (who is deceaced), desided to do just that. He put an all out effort into building a honest to goodness Benchrest Rifle based on 44 cal, which is really .429. His plan was develop a HBR round, as the case did hold the required grns of water.

He based it on the BR case, necked it up, ended up having to headspace on the case mouth, (like rimless pistols), used a Krieger Barrel, Panda Action, all the good stuff.

He was using the .429 match pistol bullets, he tried several different brands. Everthing worked just as he had engineered it to. Except for one minor thing. It simply would not shoot. Bullets were not keyholing, or acting goofy. They just would not hit the paper any where near each other. 1" plus was about as good as it ever did at 100 yards.

There might be some different bullets on the market now. .............jackie
 
If the IBS powers wanted to attract new shooters why did they go with the AR platform instead of a Factory class, model it around the Remington VSSF, Savage 12LRPV, Kimber, Cooper ,Howa and half a dozen more out the box not a damn thing done rifles, if you allow any mod's your just starting a jr VFS,,,,,,,,,,,want to see it work??? show up in Dublin GA.(home of the Shamrock) and see 10-18 Factory shooters slug it out on any 2nd saturday of the month,,,,

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

DD
 
I haven't seen too many Garands, FALS, SKS, AKs, etc. that could consistently hang with an AR-based rifle in terms of accuracy...
 
milanuk said:
I haven't seen too many Garands, FALS, SKS, AKs, etc. that could consistently hang with an AR-based rifle in terms of accuracy...
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in a word or two...

not even close....

all the military teams were slow to move to the ar, but when they figured out the 600(even 1000) it was a done deal. less maintenence, good bbl life, lower ammo cost( 1/2 powder, and 1/2 the bullet weight). no one shoots an m14,or garandand plans on winning against an ar.

and why not a "factory class", cause unless its one make and model, its a dollar war....look at what savage has put out as "factory" rifles. a kimber against a howa ???lol
and yes my club has three factory classes(varnmit, hunter, sniper). and if it does not win, sell it and buy something else......money, money money.

there will not be a level playing field in the ar class, but generically any basic ar can come and play.....and they already own the rifles! sold more in the last year( thank you mr obama...salesman of the year) than in any prior year. some ar makers were running 7/24 A YEAR BEFORE the election, and could not keep up.
mike in co
 
milanuk said:
I haven't seen too many Garands, FALS, SKS, AKs, etc. that could consistently hang with an AR-based rifle in terms of accuracy...
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Convenient that you didn't mention the M1A, 'cause I'm pretty sure it will "hang with" a .223, especially the further out you go...

Who knows, maybe Adrian will take up the challenge and go head to head, my National Match against his Stag.

Adrian, you up for it?
 
Purely an oversight on my part, I assure you ;)

As for hanging with an AR at distance... having shot an AR at distance a time or two... I somewhat doubt it. Individual rifles may prove the exception to the rule, but generally speaking...
 
david dumas said:
If the IBS powers wanted to attract new shooters why did they go with the AR platform instead of a Factory class, model it around the Remington VSSF, Savage 12LRPV, Kimber, Cooper ,Howa and half a dozen more out the box not a damn thing done rifles, if you allow any mod's your just starting a jr VFS,,,,,,,,,,,want to see it work??? show up in Dublin GA.(home of the Shamrock) and see 10-18 Factory shooters slug it out on any 2nd saturday of the month,,,,

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

DD
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All you would have to do is buy a savage fclass in 6br or 308. Game over.
 
milanuk said:
Purely an oversight on my part, I assure you ;)

As for hanging with an AR at distance... having shot an AR at distance a time or two... I somewhat doubt it. Individual rifles may prove the exception to the rule, but generally speaking...
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Well there go my illusions down the drain. I was pretty happy that you didn't lump the venerable M1A in with those other bullet hoses. Anyway, I'm looking for a .308/AR10 so I don't get too far out of my comfort zone but can still legally compete in this class. I just can't see those .22 holes even with a decent spotter scope. Old age stinks.:(

At least the first match won't be on Valentines Day...
 
HolderT said:
Convenient that you didn't mention the M1A, 'cause I'm pretty sure it will "hang with" a .223, especially the further out you go...

Who knows, maybe Adrian will take up the challenge and go head to head, my National Match against his Stag.

Adrian, you up for it?
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there is no us standard for "national match" for the m16/ar15 that does exisit for the garand and the m14/mia. national match is a sales tool in the ar family.

people still shoot m14/m1a's...( at twice the operation cost, twice the recoil, and twice the maintenance).but ar's win.
( yes i like 30 cal..i have an ar10t)
 
mike in co said:
there is no us standard for "national match" for the m16/ar15 that does exisit for the garand and the m14/mia. national match is a sales tool in the ar family.

people still shoot m14/m1a's...( at twice the operation cost, twice the recoil, and twice the maintenance).but ar's win.
( yes i like 30 cal..i have an ar10t)
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Not in the He Man class.

Anyway, I know the difference and when I write "National Match" I am definately referring to my preferred M1A, although the SOCOMII groups pretty well with the EOTECH.

I leave the Bushmaster and the Model 70 in .223 to my son since he can see those little holes and I can't get the wind to leave them alone like the 175 SMK's that my Remington 700 5R prefers.

You guys who can get them little bullets to cooperate with the wind are much more talented than I am.

Cheers!

Holder
 
JMHO, but the reason an AR class may work is because it has set rules pertaining to the gun.(Factory class has never had that to my knowledge) Yes they are very liberal, but they are set.

You want to know why it won't work? Because the existing shooters might not support it like they would another more conventional BR class.

JMO, but this class is up to us as BR shooters to work or fail, and it may not happen overnight either way. I see the demise of this class being our existing shooters not supporting it. AR shooters outnumber existing BR shooters by a bunch...and AR's can shoot for what they are.! I hope and think that it can be a venue that draws new shooters to the game, but I honestly think that ..

1)It will take time
2)If existing shooters don't ENCOURAGE it.....it just won't work.

Again, JMO---Mike Ezell
 
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