A couple of questions

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And the winner is Chet using a sleeve on the outside of barrel
Where and what is sleeve on the out side of barrel? I just plain don't know what you are talking about I just want to know what is the sleeve?
Is it the cats head holding the chamber end barrel in the pictures below? That is a South bend headstock and spindle cut down with the spindle bored out to a ID of 1.200 and then made a cats to screw on the spindle.
Chet
 
Stool,
How did your last post contribute to the discussion? Also, I really doubt that Chet needs any instruction as to how to post or ask a question.
Boyd
 
I like what Chet did :)

I don't like it as well as having my driving hold closer to the cut but given Chet's situation I see it as a bangup solution to the problem of wandering bores.... Good On Ya Chet :) It's nice to know where you're going to hit when you're done. Cuz you POINTED IT THERE.....

BTW do you use copper wires in the chuck or what?


Sharrett uses pennies....

I think that's illegal


LOL

al
 
Glad to see you can see what I was talking about now, you can indicate in a steady rest. just not the way normally done..
 
BTW Chet, it's none of my business really but now that you are doing it thru the headstock using Gritters' method to get straight into the bore and on center are you still cutting the entire chamber with a reamer or are you pre-boring?

Answer if you want to, I'm not here to argue.

al
 
I first drill then bore most of the chambers then use PTG floating reamer hold to finish then indicate the finished chamber to check run out just for the fun of it and most have a T.I.R. of .0001 or less at least for the last 5 or 6 6ppc and 260 rem chambers I have checked.
I use my custom jaws on the headstock 4 jaw chuck, brass tip screws on the cats head. Jaws, Cats head and some of barreling tools.
Chet
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This is for "Stool"

Stool since you do not use your real name when you post, I don't know who you are, but only a fool would question the likes of George Ulrich and Greg Walley about chambering rifle barrels. Maybe YOU should be the one to go back to what you were doing and listen to those who know of which they speak. You obviously have a lot to learn.

If your intent is to stir up trouble, start arguments and waste time, you are doing a pretty good job of it, but if you want to learn the finer points of benchrest gunsmithing keep your mouth shut for a while and listen up.

Gene Beggs
 
Stool since you do not use your real name when you post, I don't know who you are, but only a fool would question the likes of George Ulrich and Greg Walley about chambering rifle barrels. Maybe YOU should be the one to go back to what you were doing and listen to those who know of which they speak. You obviously have a lot to learn.

If your intent is to stir up trouble, start arguments and waste time, you are doing a pretty good job of it, but if you want to learn the finer points of benchrest gunsmithing keep your mouth shut for a while and listen up.

Gene Beggs

+1, +2, +3, +4.... :)
 
I first drill then bore most of the chambers then use PTG floating reamer hold to finish then indicate the finished chamber to check run out just for the fun of it and most have a T.I.R. of .0001 or less at least for the last 5 or 6 6ppc and 260 rem chambers I have checked.
I use my custom jaws on the headstock 4 jaw chuck, brass tip screws on the cats head. Jaws, Cats head and some of barreling tools.
Chet
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OOOhhh I like your fancy brass pivot thingies, mine aren't nearly so cool......
 
stool since you do not use your real name when you post, i don't know who you are, but only a fool would question the likes of george ulrich and greg walley about chambering rifle barrels. Maybe you should be the one to go back to what you were doing and listen to those who know of which they speak. You obviously have a lot to learn.

If your intent is to stir up trouble, start arguments and waste time, you are doing a pretty good job of it, but if you want to learn the finer points of benchrest gunsmithing keep your mouth shut for a while and listen up.

Gene beggs


+1 aman.....
bill larson
 
Where and what is sleeve on the out side of barrel? I just plain don't know what you are talking about I just want to know what is the sleeve?
Is it the cats head holding the chamber end barrel in the pictures below? That is a South bend headstock and spindle cut down with the spindle bored out to a ID of 1.200 and then made a cats to screw on the spindle.
Chet

Chet, The cats head or spider or adjustable sleeve that you screw on modified spindle is is what I am talking about. I give you an aa+ for originality in the end it is an outboard support ie . steadyrest of a little different configuration. I use a modified method that G.Forys used but similar in principle.. see ya somewhere
 
one last comment...
just to prove my point that geo is confused.
that is NOT steady rest....
he clearly states it is a bearing and a catseye....NOT A STEADY REST.

i'm done.

Mr. Stool, Please don't leave yet, you have so much to learn.. Wilbur this is going to get lengthy not sure if there are rules on this remove or what ever if you need to. O.K. Mr Stool I will try and explain this so even you can understand how you can adjust t.i.r in a steady rest. Now focus Focus FOCUS. Take a piece of steel tubing 2 1/2 dia. 1/2" wall cut 19" long. face and center both ends. drill and tap 5/16 24 holes 4 each end at 90* to each other .38 from each end. Grind o.d no taper end to end o.d. size not critical. Layout barrel for length, weight I use .840 muzzle dia. 22 " long 1 in straight 1.25 dia. Place barrel in tube with .84 dia 1 3/4 from end of tube. with barrel between centers indicate both ends of tube true. now chuck tube in 4 jaw or adjust true chuck and indicate , put center in chamber end set steadyrest part off excess barrel length leaving 1.25 sticking out. face and bore center. O.K. FOCUS lets set up for ppc length case. using afore mentioned indicating methods you know the one that gives real readings. run probe in 1.52+ throat length .040+ 1/2 freebore length .070 = 1.630 this will put under 5/16 adjusting screws( by the way they have round head brass screws on clamping surface). now indicate throat in at 1.63 length. When good move indicater in .5 -.75 (I do know they don't go 90* in a 1/2 in. but in the few hundred I have cutoff .005 -.010 is real common) now indicate at this point by adjusting screws at muzzle end get this point and throat running together. you will have to tweak chamber end adjusting screws and muzzle end adjusting screws to accomplish this. rebore center, put center in turn tenon length leave + .020 on thread o.d., next drill and bore for chamber, ream to headspace . Check t.i.r. and adjust if needed if good rebore center, put center in finish o.d. of threads,thread , cut c'bore. flip around indicate chamber side of tube. Heres the interesting part remember adjusting to get throat AND in front of throat concentric I check to see how much muzzle runs out (.020 about normal but I have had a whole bunch more as in .08-.100. ) now indicate muzzle end with screws at muzzle end to 00 at end then move in .75 and tweak with adjusters at other end to get two running concentric. face off square Now both ends are straight and in front of both ends are true. I have different length and o.d tubes for other length and o.d. barrels. I guess this dismisses not being able to adjust runout in a steadyrest. So hope you now understand this method will work not saying its better or worse but I will stand on 3 nat. wins with my method bert r. 92 and 96 1 with an action I built 2013 me ubr als my action also various world records shot using either my gunsmithing or bullets I have made or bullet dies I have made. I did see your other thread on" beginner needing help"
thought it very interesting your lathe isn't "up and running" have you actually done any chambering ? In closing I don't understand where your not getting the point I have not drank in years but if you think I am you can test for drugs or alcohol I will send hair, blood, urine or a STOOL sample if you wish...The Tool Maker From Hell A.K.A. lemming
 
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Mr. Stool, Please don't leave yet, you have so much to learn.. Wilbur this is going to get lengthy not sure if there are rules on this remove or what ever if you need to. O.K. Mr Stool I will try and explain this so even you can understand how you can adjust t.i.r in a steady rest. Now focus Focus FOCUS. Take a piece of steel tubing 2 1/2 dia. 1/2" wall cut 19" long. face and center both ends. drill and tap 5/16 24 holes 4 each end at 90* to each other .38 from each end. Grind o.d no taper end to end o.d. size not critical. Layout barrel for length, weight I use .840 muzzle dia. 22 " long 1 in straight 1.25 dia. Place barrel in tube with .84 dia 1 3/4 from end of tube. with barrel between centers indicate both ends of tube true. now chuck tube in 4 jaw or adjust true chuck and indicate , put center in chamber end set steadyrest part off excess barrel length leaving 1.25 sticking out. face and bore center. O.K. FOCUS lets set up for ppc length case. using afore mentioned indicating methods you know the one that gives real readings. run probe in 1.52+ throat length .040+ 1/2 freebore length .070 = 1.630 this will put under 5/16 adjusting screws( by the way they have round head brass screws on clamping surface). now indicate throat in at 1.63 length. When good move indicater in .5 -.75 (I do know they don't go 90* in a 1/2 in. but in the few hundred I have cutoff .005 -.010 is real common) now indicate at this point by adjusting screws at muzzle end get this point and throat running together. you will have to tweak chamber end adjusting screws and muzzle end adjusting screws to accomplish this. rebore center, put center in turn tenon length leave + .020 on thread o.d., next drill and bore for chamber, ream to headspace . Check t.i.r. and adjust if needed if good rebore center, put center in finish o.d. of threads,thread , cut c'bore. flip around indicate chamber side of tube. Heres the interesting part remember adjusting to get throat AND in front of throat concentric I check to see how much muzzle runs out (.020 about normal but I have had a whole bunch more as in .08-.100. ) now indicate muzzle end with screws at muzzle end to 00 at end then move in .75 and tweak with adjusters at other end to get two running concentric. face off square Now both ends are straight and in front of both ends are true. I have different length and o.d tubes for other length and o.d. barrels. I guess this dismisses not being able to adjust runout in a steadyrest. So hope you now understand this method will work not saying its better or worse but I will stand on 3 nat. wins with my method bert r. 92 and 96 1 with an action I built 2013 me ubr als my action also various world records shot using either my gunsmithing or bullets I have made or bullet dies I have made. I did see your other thread on" beginner needing help"
thought it very interesting your lathe isn't "up and running" have you actually done any chambering ? In closing I don't understand where your not getting the point I have not drank in years but if you think I am you can test for drugs or alcohol I will send hair, blood, urine or a STOOL sample if you wish...The Tool Maker From Hell A.K.A. lemming


George...... thank you for taking the time to explain.....after the insults the neophyte threw at you and others....
I didn`t have the patience.....
bill larson
 
Mike (stool) -

I see in another post you wrote this:
...my lathe is still not up and running.
From which I would like to ask:
- have you chambered/fitted any barrels? ... or are you just establishing a method that you intend to use?
- if you have chambered and fitted barrels, how many?


Personally, over the years I've had barrels that were done in a "steady rest", some that were done through the spindle bore "rotationally", some that were done "adjusted outward with a spider", and more recently my last 4 were done with a True-Bore Alignment System non-supported at the outboard end.
I have seen excellent accuracy come from all these setups of chamber/fitting.

Donovan
 
George...... thank you for taking the time to explain.....after the insults the neophyte threw at you and others....
I didn`t have the patience.....
bill larson

Bill, I have a pretty thick skin I actually thought it all kind of funny, hope explanation finally puts the myth to rest but probably not. George
 
Thank you guys for talking about the way you set up to chamber.
It's nice to see the different ideas.

Hal
 
Mr. Stool, I for one am very sorry about the losses you have incurred and I do mean this, I know the majority of people here that are involved in b.r. or they know me either from work I have done for them or the 100,000,000 questions I have answered for them. The point here is if you close your mouth and listen you will learn things, I know Jackie pretty well , he spent a week loading by my wife and me at the nats. He made it a great trip Jackies a real hoot to be around laughed the whole week. But to quote him when we met he said "I'm a machinist also but I do work on the big iron not the super precision stuff you do" we all have the things we do. I am not saying my method is any better or worse than methods you are using just a different way that was said could not be done and has been proven to work by the success's I have had. By the way I don't recall any record's Jackie has set but He did win u/l nats around 02. I could be very wrong on that point as I don't know who he does work for at this time. You mentioned the l/r stuff you are shooting are these sanctioned matches or club matches just wondering the difference is like running a street stock on the local dirt track or running indy. I am not trying to minimize what you have done its just a different level of competition. I have been a card carrying journeyman toolmaker for 40 yrs and started br at the young age of 25 never cared for all the travel so always stayed pretty close to home. I have had a few modest success's along the way. Built a few actions that have won nats or set records and bullets same thing and bullet dies same thing and gunsmithing same thing. Its what I do basically a life dedicated to the advancement of accuracy. I don't get to shoot any where as much as I used to, to many business obligations. But I will continue to work on a better way. I will leave you with this small piece of advice I used to give the apprentices I had to train " knowledge is helpful but attitude is essential" George Ulrich aka the lemming p.s. thanks for the knick name I like it. by the way if you have any questions feel free to contact I hold no grudges
 
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