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    30-30 600 yard build

    Nez Nez is one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. I traveled to Austin, TX back around Thanksgiving. We did some velocity testing on the 30-30 with his brother's Labradar, and learned something. The 118's chronographed just fine, and we took them up to around 3300 fps. Then we decided...
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    30-30 600 yard build

    Imr 8208 xbr During lunch I decided to try the 8208. Velocity was great, but I did start running out of room on my last load. The same case was used over and over. The last load has not caused any change in primer seating effort. Same Berger 168gr. Hybrid bullets. 35.0 - 2577 fps. 37.0 -...
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    30-30 600 yard build

    Can you explain why RL16 would work better? It is a slower powder. Is it way more dense? Looking for faster burn rate than RL15. Michael
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    30-30 600 yard build

    Some of you may have seen the post from Nez Rongero in Lee's thread on Lederer barrels. When Nez first contacted me concerning building a 30-30 for 600 yards, he told me his goal was to push a 168gr. Berger Hybrid at 2800 fps. I told him that 2700 fps. was more of a guarantee, but 2800 fps...
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    Lederer Barrels

    Pete, I understand the memory thing. I decided to take a look at the messages you sent me concerning your 30-30. I have copied and pasted what you said to me below. "I had an inexperienced guy do the barrel and while it seemed to have been done right, a 30 BR barrel he did at the same time...
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    Lederer Barrels

    Pete, Didn't you say that you might have a chamber or barrel problem? I seem to remember something about you not being satisfied with the gunsmith. I do remember you having a problem with the trim length, and the gun shooting better after trimming, but still other concerns. Michael
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    Lederer Barrels

    Jackie, I'll be using the same method on his as I do on mine. I will headspace on both rim and shoulder. I have attached my last eight shot group from my LV 30-30. Unlike Lee's group, there was no wind at all. I forgot to mention, this is my first Lederer barrel that fired this group. Michael
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    Lederer Barrels

    Lee I heard about this post and your group from James Lederer. When he told me this past Thursday, I was standing in his shop in Wisconsin. After spending from 9:00AM until midnight with him, making and lapping barrels, all I can say is I learned a lot. More than anything, I learned that...
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    262 or 268 necks for 6mm PPC

    Opinion from 30 shooter I like a .267" neck. I have shot a PPC before, so I thought I would tell you why a .267" neck. For Lapua brass, while it is a little more turn than a .268" or .269", it is still not near as bad to neck turn as the .262" to .263". For the new Norma brass, you can shoot...
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    Proof loads for new Starline 30-30 brass

    Test Action Just remember that my test action is an incredibly strong 1 1/2" diameter S7 tool steel receiver with a 1 1/8" barrel tenon diameter, and has the typical 1.250" HV taper. The bolt is .750" diameter with two .500" wide locking lugs. While the 788 and 340 actions are strong enough...
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    Proof loads for new Starline 30-30 brass

    A story about Frank Wilson I used to shoot in a club match in Burnet, TX. We shot several different matches, three position rimfire, three position cenerfire, factory sporter 100, factory varmint 100, and several others. Trying to compete in a factory sporter match without a 788 was tough...
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    Proof loads for new Starline 30-30 brass

    Measured between .4168" and .4170" before firing. I have not measured it since. Just tried to loosen the primer. I was not attempting to determine max load by measuring case head diameter. This is because I already know these loads are over maximum. I have used a load in a match that pushed...
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    Proof loads for new Starline 30-30 brass

    Averaged about .0092" Michael
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    Proof loads for new Starline 30-30 brass

    A guy on accurate shooter was looking for the strongest and best quality brass for a wildcat he developed. I told him I would run some proof loads through the new Starline 30-30 brass. I was going to do this anyway, since Starline sent me a sample of their brass for testing. The new brass...
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    Lederer Barrels

    Butch, I will have your barrel to ship when i return from the Lubbock match. For anyone else interested, I will have 7 Lederer barrels available at the Lubbock match. They will all we 6mm X 13.5 TW LV. As always, first come first serve. If anyone wants one, but is not going to be there...
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    Firewalker

    Some Firewalker results. Michael
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    Did You Ever Have To Fix Your Lathe........

    Jackie, Is there enough room to put a sleeve over the thin section? Michael
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    How is Larry Baggett doing??

    Jackie, Larry had a problem with his heart the Friday evening before the Rattlesnake. Earlier that day he was in a great mood. His guns were working well for him, and he was joking around a bit. Michael
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    Lederer Barrels

    Butch Taking it to the bank today. Michael
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    Multi-Radial Rifling?

    I have an old polygon rifled Shilen barrel, that I beleive was made in the 70's or 80's. It came from the TJ Jackson estate. This was the first barrel I ever chambered for my BR rifle in 30-30. It was a 14" twist 1.350 unlimited barrel, so I wound up with a 18# bag gun. Shot as good as any...
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