You gotta see this

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That strikes entirely too close to home as I've had to deal with this sort of thing multiple times on my own property.....really. I've got a "Riparian Waterway" on my property and have been asked to grant access for college students looking for native artifacts, a noxious/invasive weeds study, an "indigenous flora" study and a flow study as well as having to fend off a suit from a homeowner 3mi away on an adjacent crick (he THINKS his waterway originates on my property)

I've also been repeatedly asked to cede my rights for money in a "land trade" where they "set aside" small sections of my personal property so that they can extend town boundaries in a town 6mi away...

I'll get calls like "we'd like to be able to take teams through your property for the purpose of establishing contiguity of habitat" and such.

To make matters even worse I've access to an open pit mining operation using a small section of my private drive so the EPA gets their smutty fingers into the pie.....or tries to.

I was recently "served" with a subpoena from the largest 5-Name law firm in Portland OR which started with "You are required to attend a meeting at the riparian crossing on your drive on (date) at (time) with your representative(s).....present will be (a list of 7 people) for the purpose of establishing.......etc etc...." to which I replied "I think NOT you miserable hack, you are hereby cordially invited to take a flying #$% at a rolling donut. If, in my travels I see you or anyone else at that site without my written permission I WILL take it as an invitation to shoot you for trespassing illegally. In simple fact I WILL NOT be at this "meeting," there will be no meeting on my property and you may consider this letter written notice to yourself and others to that effect..... I may well be conducting illegal acts on this property including but not limited to human trafficking, opium farming, puppy milling and or the milling of endangered hardwoods and I DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED! On top of that we shoot guns and blow stuff up. A LOT...sometimes naked"

I went on like this for 5 pages gradually working up to an abusive rant which ended with "may I restate clearly, IF I EVER SEE YOU ON MY PROPERTY.....etc etc"

One of the 5 names hissownself (#3 I think) called me from said law firm to inform me that "this isn't an acceptable response to a subpoena" and I said "so sue me" and hung up on him.

I came out to work on my road with the 6ft grapple mounted to the front of my tractor and a chainsaw in the scabbard on the scheduled day and time and......lo and behold, perfect peace and tranquility. Ner hide nor hair of any trapessers were observed that day :)

Government meddling in property rights is just part and parcel of living in The West. And when I say "give 'em an inch and they'll take your property" its based on the FACT that I've watched several young naive landowners lose not only their properties but their life savings over arrowheads and newts...these idiots couldn't find a dog at the pound and they spend millions "setting traps" and "taking surveys" and "sampling" in an attempt to "document" things like the Pacific Giant Salamander and the Rubber Boa which wander about in our yards of an evening.

....and don't get me STARTED on water rights.


OK


rant OFF


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LOL


al
 
So much for the part of the US Constitution, 4th Amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,..."

I know too. The local city has taken part of a piece of property I have owned since 1959 and tore out a new fence and dug an 11 foot deep ditch in it...


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Cricks,tractors, grapples and nudity

Al,

I know this is a serious issue but I had some good laughs over your post.

It sounded like you were going to skid a log across the road to prevent any trespass.

If you can shoot and blow up things in the nude you obviously have no modesty issues...so I'm thinking at the next proposed meeting if you showed on your tractor in your birthday suit, they would never bother you again.

mort

P.S. I also call em' cricks.
 
dmort said:
Al,

I know this is a serious issue but I had some good laughs over your post.

It sounded like you were going to skid a log across the road to prevent any trespass.

If you can shoot and blow up things in the nude you obviously have no modesty issues...so I'm thinking at the next proposed meeting if you showed on your tractor in your birthday suit, they would never bother you again.

mort

P.S. I also call em' cricks.
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nahh.....we don't really blow stuff up nekkid, I was just making my point to the idiot lawyer about privacy and the pointing out the fact that just because somebody asks you or even as in my case, "tells you" that they want access to your property doesn't mean you must (nor should) grant it.

I would never go thru the hassle of dragging a log across the road cuz it's OUR ROAD, and we want to get in and out, I just went out to do some maintenance and to see if they'd really show up. I had no intention of acknowledging their presence if they did. I'd have called the police.
 
JerrySharrett said:
So much for the part of the US Constitution, 4th Amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,..."

I know too. The local city has taken part of a piece of property I have owned since 1959 and tore out a new fence and dug an 11 foot deep ditch in it...


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Had the property been surveyed?
 
Part of our "nation of laws" today is in many situations, the courts are above the law.

I say this from my observations of sitting on many juries over the years. Civil and criminal. And having served as jury Forman mant times.


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I'm currently reading a book

titled " The Rule of Nobody", saving America from dead laws and broken government, by Philip K. Howard. I saw him on a TV talk show; mebby Charlie Rose, ? and he made so much sense, we bought the book. Essentially he points out that we are a country where common sense and personal responsibility have left about everyone. Everyone depends on laws and government to deal with every situation. Not only are there laws but rules that are made by governmental organizations that tie up society to the point where it works for no one. It's a good book and truthful.

Pete
 
Pete Wass said:
titled " The Rule of Nobody", saving America from dead laws and broken government, by Philip K. Howard. I saw him on a TV talk show; mebby Charlie Rose, ? and he made so much sense, we bought the book. Essentially he points out that we are a country where common sense and personal responsibility have left about everyone. Everyone depends on laws and government to deal with every situation. Not only are there laws but rules that are made by governmental organizations that tie up society to the point where it works for no one. It's a good book and truthful.

Pete
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I'll have to see if that book is available on Kindle, if so , I'll get it. One aspect of governmental bureaucracies is that if you blindly follow the rules without exception, you cannot be held responsible or accountable for anything, no matter what common sense says.

PS Just downloaded the Kindle edition of the book.
 
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If he can't

JerrySharrett said:
Surveyed? Don't matter, its still mine. I have a piece of land in VA that was on a 1789 Land Grant. Never put in Mets and Bounds but it is still MINE!!!

The Donald will fix it I'm sure.....TaDa.


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no one can and we are doomed! :)
 
JerrySharrett said:
Surveyed? Don't matter, its still mine. I have a piece of land in VA that was on a 1789 Land Grant. Never put in Mets and Bounds but it is still MINE!!!

The Donald will fix it I'm sure.....TaDa.


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Reconstructing a Mets and Bounds survey can be very difficult....or are you saying that was never done to begin with?
 
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dmort said:
Reconstructing a Mets and Bounds survey can be very difficult....or are you saying that was never done to begin with?
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Never done to begin with. I have the old original Land Grants, written on sheepskin, one signed by Patrick Henry when he was the Govenor of the Commonwealth of Virginia. In those days the a description read "beginning at a leaning white oak along a bend of Smith Creek....."!!

I have a custom Civil Engineers program called Deed Mapper where I can roughly draw it out and guesstimate acreage.

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Pete Wass said:
titled " The Rule of Nobody", saving America from dead laws and broken government, by Philip K. Howard. I saw him on a TV talk show; mebby Charlie Rose, ? and he made so much sense, we bought the book. Essentially he points out that we are a country where common sense and personal responsibility have left about everyone. Everyone depends on laws and government to deal with every situation. Not only are there laws but rules that are made by governmental organizations that tie up society to the point where it works for no one. It's a good book and truthful.

Pete
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Read John Beatys "The Iron Curtain Over America". Written in 1950. Leads up from the Crucades to the source of the mess we are in today. Written by Col John Beaty a WW II intel officer.

Amazon sometimes has old copies $90-$200 or so. Read it on line at the British site Archives.org .
 
Survey records

JerrySharrett said:
Never done to begin with. I have the old original Land Grants, written on sheepskin, one signed by Patrick Henry when he was the Govenor of the Commonwealth of Virginia. In those days the a description read "beginning at a leaning white oak along a bend of Smith Creek....."!!

I have a custom Civil Engineers program called Deed Mapper where I can roughly draw it out and guesstimate acreage.

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Sounds to me like a Metes and Bounds description for the land grant. Those can be fun to try and follow.

I used to use GLO { Government Land Office } maps to locate section corners.

So you are trying to locate an unsurveyed parcel inside the land grant with Deed Mapper .Is it close enough that you can find it on the ground? What kind of acreage are you talking about?
 
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