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Budweiser360
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A set of Burris rings will compensate for over 100MOA? They must be miracle rings....
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Budweiser360
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BTW, there is no pattern left on the crown. I think i fired 18 rounds last range day and no mark/pattern etc and hasn't been cleaned since...
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sendero300
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Take it to the gunsmith who "trued" it and hand it back. Tell him to fix it. You cant send it back to savage, so thats your only option. Doesnt seem like something that you can fix at home.
Oh, my three guesses
1-barrel turned off center.
2-scope holes off center
3-its not a Remmy
Oh, my three guesses
1-barrel turned off center.
2-scope holes off center
3-its not a Remmy
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Big Al
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This is when having two trees growing close together comes in real handy.
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PEI Rob
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Well I definately know what the problem is. Wrong beer.
This is the action I CHECKED not trued, see the latest of this thread. http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60749 To save you the time, it is amazingly straight and machined in one setup.
Bud360 said the barrel was crooked and it wouldn't boresight so I installed a PT&G lug for him after verifying the action was good. I installed my bases and a scope on it, looked great, see ya at the range.
He fires it and its 8' off. He brings it to me tonight and I swap the barrel and install my scope, in my kitchen while having a real beer, not joking. Bore sight was close enough, we're loosing light. I send him off with some ammo to my range just down the road.
I think he went to bed, figured he would reply here first.
Before I forget Bud360, bed the bases when you bed the stock.
Cheers,
Rob
This is the action I CHECKED not trued, see the latest of this thread. http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60749 To save you the time, it is amazingly straight and machined in one setup.
Bud360 said the barrel was crooked and it wouldn't boresight so I installed a PT&G lug for him after verifying the action was good. I installed my bases and a scope on it, looked great, see ya at the range.
He fires it and its 8' off. He brings it to me tonight and I swap the barrel and install my scope, in my kitchen while having a real beer, not joking. Bore sight was close enough, we're loosing light. I send him off with some ammo to my range just down the road.
I think he went to bed, figured he would reply here first.
Before I forget Bud360, bed the bases when you bed the stock.
Cheers,
Rob
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Jay Idaho
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I'll bet all is fine, now. First barrel was the problem.....
Anxious to hear the outcome of this one.
Jay, Idaho
Well smartass, as a matter of fact, I have had at least one that was that far out and yes, it was corrected with a set of Burris rings. 3-4' isn't uncommon at all. Hey, do what you like.
Rick
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f21sh
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three only
Well
Don't assume anything, if everything checks out the scope is the most likely issue.
Q's
Have you had it Rebarreled?
1 ) The bore is pointing to the right as the bullet exits the barrel. Not a straight bore. Outside alignment of straight edge and barrel is not good enough. Bore site with a bore sighter that uses a bore spud. Solution if problem: rotate bore so that the arc of the bore is pointing up, have a gunsmith do this if you don't have the equip. and knowledge.
2 ) The new recoil lug is not the same thickness.
3 ) check the crown for damage and for burrs. Make sure the crown is 90 degrees to the bore.
Hope this helps? post the issue when you locate it and the solution
shoot'em straight
Well
Don't assume anything, if everything checks out the scope is the most likely issue.
Q's
Have you had it Rebarreled?
1 ) The bore is pointing to the right as the bullet exits the barrel. Not a straight bore. Outside alignment of straight edge and barrel is not good enough. Bore site with a bore sighter that uses a bore spud. Solution if problem: rotate bore so that the arc of the bore is pointing up, have a gunsmith do this if you don't have the equip. and knowledge.
2 ) The new recoil lug is not the same thickness.
3 ) check the crown for damage and for burrs. Make sure the crown is 90 degrees to the bore.
Hope this helps? post the issue when you locate it and the solution
shoot'em straight
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Dennis Sorensen
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You say you have ruled out the scope and rings... well I suggest you knock the bases to the extremes of the screw holes... the front one to the left and the rear one to the right.
Until you can sight through the bore and the scope at the same place at 100 yards it is not going to "sight in".
If you can not do that, take it to a competent "smith", the internet isn't going to fix it...
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CHRIS.T
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Sorry for the Hijack and ignorance but I knew that the Burris rings could be shimmed for elevation but can they also compensate for windage???
Regards Chris.
Regards Chris.
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Budweiser360
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Ok, well newest range report is........................... 1/2MOA at 100yds and without adjusting Rob's scope it was only about 3min high and about 2min left. Almost exactly where it aimed when bore-sighted since we didn't bother adjusting then, we just needed to see where it was going to hit since we were running out of daylight and had fingers crossed for better than 8' haha.
This only came about because PEIROB had an extra Savage .223 heavy barrel laying around that he threw onto and poof. Majic. And for the guy that got mad for me being a smartass, I apologize but I would have needed 1/2" shims for the POA to match POI. So, I do not know for 100% what the problem with the barrel was but I am in touch with Joe DeGrande from Savage and we will see what happens next. Thanks to those that did partake in this, I had no sweet clue where to even start.
This only came about because PEIROB had an extra Savage .223 heavy barrel laying around that he threw onto and poof. Majic. And for the guy that got mad for me being a smartass, I apologize but I would have needed 1/2" shims for the POA to match POI. So, I do not know for 100% what the problem with the barrel was but I am in touch with Joe DeGrande from Savage and we will see what happens next. Thanks to those that did partake in this, I had no sweet clue where to even start.
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Dennis Sorensen
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Actually you don't shim them... there are offset inserts that are available in different amounts of adjustment. Depending on how you rotate the insert gives you windage or elevation or in between... If you use the maximum inserts there is a lot of "adjustment".
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Spott3r
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ah, what happens..
when you put the old barrel back on..
when you put the old barrel back on..
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Jay Idaho
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I'd consider putting the first barrel in a lathe, dialing in both ends (bores) and checking the shoulder that contacts the recoil lug. If an indicator on that surface shows that it is not perpendicular to the bore, I would take a minimum amount off of that shoulder to square it up.
That should make it "shoot where it looks".
One person's opinion....
Jay, Idaho
That should make it "shoot where it looks".
One person's opinion....
Jay, Idaho
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lefty o
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i wouldnt bother screwing with the old barrel, buy a good one.
Having shot more than one Savage recently I've seen some of the same thing - way off one way or another. Sometimes way off to one side, to where I have to use a full +10/-10 set of offset inserts (rotated 90°) in Burris rings to get lined up. Most recently, had to add the +10/-10 inserts to get the scope bottomed out @ 100 with a 30 moa base. All on the same action.
At first I thought it was the action or the scope screw holes, as mentioned above. Then I noticed it seemed to follow the barrel more so than anything else. Either when I swap to a new barrel or just take the original one off and re-install it set to my head-space gauges (slightly different rotation). No, I haven't done any sort of scientific test of it, recording results and such. Just things I've noticed in the course of swapping barrels about, across five different actions and several calibers.
My guess... probably has something to do with the 'barrel straightening' process they use - either his eyesight is starting to go, or some barrels 'spring back' more than others or something.
YMMV,
Monte
I've seen some of the same thing - way off one way or another. Sometimes way off to one side, to where I have to use a full +10/-10 set of offset inserts (rotated 90°) in Burris rings to get lined up. Most recently, had to add the +10/-10 inserts to get the scope bottomed out @ 100 with a 30 moa base. All on the same action.At first I thought it was the action or the scope screw holes, as mentioned above. Then I noticed it seemed to follow the barrel more so than anything else. Either when I swap to a new barrel or just take the original one off and re-install it set to my head-space gauges (slightly different rotation). No, I haven't done any sort of scientific test of it, recording results and such. Just things I've noticed in the course of swapping barrels about, across five different actions and several calibers.
My guess... probably has something to do with the 'barrel straightening' process they use - either his eyesight is starting to go, or some barrels 'spring back' more than others or something.
YMMV,
Monte
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gzig5
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As far as I know, there is no reason the bushings can't be rotated to correct windage. In fact, I think that was the original design intent (windage correction) and a lot of longe range shooters saw the advantage of the adjustable rengs over an expensive tapered scope base to get the elevation that is required for LR shooting.
Greg